Jessica Malnik's AI Toolkit for Streamlining Marketing Processes
Use AI to remove repetitive marketing work, strengthen research and editing, and create better decisions without handing strategy or original thinking to a generic prompt.
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Treat AI Like a Fast Intern, Not an Invisible Expert
The most useful way to think about AI is not as a replacement for judgment. It is a fast collaborator that can research, organize, generate options, and remove repetitive work. That is powerful, but it only works when a person is clear about the outcome and stays involved where the work needs taste, experience, or a real decision.
Jessica Malnik describes AI as a 24/7 intern. That framing is useful because a good intern can accelerate a capable marketer, but still needs direction. If the assignment is vague, the output will be vague. If the source material is generic, the result will usually sound generic too.
Give It Better Material Than Everyone Else
AI is excellent at finding patterns. That also explains why it struggles to create a point of view from nothing. Ask it to write a thought-leadership article with no expertise, examples, or original data, and it will produce a polished version of what is already common. That may be enough for a templated product description or a narrow long-tail page, but it will not make a brand memorable.
The better move is to feed it material nobody else has: customer interviews, a sales-call transcript, a research report, a strong internal opinion, or observations from actually doing the work. Then use AI to identify gaps, suggest structures, surface common questions, and help turn raw knowledge into something readers can use.
That approach also changes the editing pass. Instead of asking AI to be the final writer, ask it to role-play as the reader. What claims need evidence? What questions are still unanswered? Which example needs more explanation? Those are useful prompts because they direct attention back to the substance of the piece.
Automate the Repetitive Edges of the Work
Some of the highest-return uses are not flashy. Move an assignment email into a task board. Send a deadline reminder to the right channel. Transcribe an interview, then pull possible quotes and unanswered questions from it. Research a topic before a human writes the conclusion.
These small handoffs matter because they remove copying, pasting, and remembering from the workday. They also preserve the part that should remain human: choosing the angle, interpreting the research, deciding what matters, and making a promise the business can actually keep.
Start by auditing a week of work. Look for tasks that repeat, involve moving information between tools, or require the same first-pass research. Those are better candidates than a complicated, high-stakes process with many branching decisions.
Keep People in the Decision Loop
Multi-step automation gets fragile when the system must make choices without enough context. A custom assistant can offer interview angles, titles, or research directions, but a marketer still needs to choose the one that fits the guest, audience, and goal. The same is true for content positioning and client work.
That does not make AI less valuable. It makes the division of labor clearer. Let it compress the work that used to take hours or days, then use the saved time for better strategy. The goal is not three times as many shallow outputs. It is more room for the thinking that turns competent marketing into work people notice.
Begin with one recurring task, define what good looks like, and review the result. Once that works, add the next useful handoff. The best AI toolkit is built from reliable small wins, not an attempt to automate the whole business in one jump.
In this episode of the AI-Driven Marketer, Dan Sanchez talks to Jessica Malnik who is the Founder of JM Content Group about her expertise on leveraging AI for administrative tasks, debate on AI's capabilities in writing, and its role as an invaluable co-pilot in the marketing process. They also explore the practicalities of using AI tools like Zapier and ChatGPT, the integration of AI into strategic work, and offer practical advice for those embarking on their AI journey. Listen to this episode if you want to learn more about how to put AI to work for yourself.
Resources Mentioned:
- Zapier: https://zapier.com
- Trello: https://trello.com
- Perplexity AI: https://www.perplexity.ai/
- Jessica Malnik's newsletter: https://newsletter.theremoteworktribe.com/
Timestamps:
00:00 AI as a 24/7 intern in marketing.
06:05 AI vs. human expertise in content creation.
08:32 AI can generate content for niche markets.
11:03 For core niches, use subject matter experts.
16:43 ChatGPT simplifies research process, summarizes top articles.
17:24 AI reads and interprets intent based on keywords.
20:59 AI supports admin tasks, aids research and notifications.
25:53 AI, multistep processes, collaboration, industry, overestimation
27:11 Custom GPT drastically cuts down processing time.
33:08 Consider adopting AI, start experimenting, automate tasks.
36:44 Advancement and growth are essential for success.
38:17 Best to find me on LinkedIn. Also Twitter and newsletter.
welcome back to the aid driven marketer
I'm Dan Sanchez and today I'm talking to
Jessica malnik who has been automating
and doing a bunch of cool things with AI
so I wanted to have her on the show we I
found her on LinkedIn a friend
recommended having her on to unpack what
she's doing with AI and I just can't
stop like hearing testimonies and case
studies of what people are doing I'm so
hungry to learn because I find with
AI it it's I find a lot of a learning AI
is really finding about the possib of
what's even possible and then figuring
out how to get there and maybe it's like
that with all learning but with AI
there's no like guide block there's no
guide there's no Playbook that's tried
and true so all of us are getting
together and kind of like learning from
from each other so Jessica I'm excited
to have you on the
show give me a a quick broad overview
for the audience of what are the main
categories you would say your AI use and
work goes into right now yeah absolutely
first thanks for me on the show when it
comes to how I think about AI I kind of
think of it as almost like an I feel
like it's cliche by now but like having
a 247 intern that never sleeps and it's
like the best intern you're ever going
to have but the reason I kind of say
intern instead of something like
assistant is because you do need to
prompt it and you do need to kind of do
at least in my experience the really
hard work of figuring out okay what are
you trying to get done and then as soon
as you know that have really specific
instructions and that's how I typically
get the most results for what I'm doing
with AI but in terms of how I think
about Ai and how I'm using it broad
categories I'd say like obviously in
marketing obviously automating some
routine admin task within my business
yeah would be the main too yeah so
you're talking about AI assisting admin
tasks and I know we were just talking
about before we push record uh helping
you facilitate writing but I want to
jump into that one first because I think
we'll have a little bit of fun debate
here and I'm going to get
crushed but I love using AI for writing
but it's also because I'm not a writer
and I've never really been a strong
writer I like writing LinkedIn posts
that's where I can I know how to write
for LinkedIn how to write blogs that
rank but it's not because I'm a good
writer it's be I'd say it's because I'm
a better teacher and I know how to
reverse engineer what people need to
learn in order for the article to rank
and it's not be but it's not certainly
because I'm not a great writer that I'm
fun to read
so but you told me before jumping on
that you don't think chat GPT is so good
at writing so unpack unpack that a
little bit and talk tell me about why
yeah absolutely so I would say I feel
like whenever anyone talks about AI like
the first use case that everyone jumped
to was oh let's have ai write stuff for
us and at least in my experience and
I've been playing around with this since
2020 so way before tat TBT was even
released with like copy Ai and like the
very ear R verions of Jasper yep before
it was called that as well so like when
I would say about AI it's objectively
bad at writing if you're trying to do
anything more than like the absolute
Basics like can AI write a decent
product description if you need if you
already have a template and you need you
know a hundred more that are basically
the same thing yeah AI is good for that
but if you're trying to stand out build
an audience have a unique point of view
or basically not have something that's
completely
commoditized AI is objectively bad at
that because AI is all about pattern
matching right y so when you're trying
to do pattern matching like yeah of
course like everything AI is telling you
is things that have somebody else has
already said at least in some in some
case already not to mention when you
have people not to mention when you have
those things and like you're only
differentiator is a tool that everybody
else has access to that's no
differentiation at all like the main
things actually stick out at least how
I'm kind of viewing I think our pretty
Timeless writing and audience pting
skills is developing taste and
developing like and also being able to
build an audience and you can't do that
just through a tool that everybody else
has well I agree and I disagree so let
let me come at it and then let's let's
talk about it I agree that it's bad at
writing especially if you're trying to
teach somebody something and you're
trying to it needs to have a level
of it can't be generic right if you're
going to rank on Google like you have to
write something original otherwise
Google's going to be able to tell it
would tell too if you hired a writer to
write on it and they only did 30 minutes
worth of research they're going to end
up writing something regurgitated to and
unless you have enough domain Authority
for your your site it's not going to
rank I mean one of my favorite case
studies that I love to hate on is
MailChimp wrote like this they they they
emailed me and ask me if I could link to
it from my blog and I've written a lot
of blogs on how to build a media Studio
I'm sitting here in a studio and how to
Vlog and stuff and they're like can you
can you link to this from your blog
that's also ranking and I read their
blog from MailChimp and it's obvious it
was written by a writer who has never
picked up a camera in their life I'm
like let alone uploaded a vlog to
YouTube and the and the the the content
was off it was way off from anything a
vlogger would actually need to ask or
should be asking or does ask because I
was
one so but I will say the writing was
better than what g chat GPT would have
done had they been given a good prompt
because it was written by a
writer I do find that it's pretty good
at writing if you feed it if you feed it
information that's unique if you have
data maybe a research report with data
and good numbers in it h it might start
getting there shoot if you feed it a
transcript and ask it to go off of that
then the writing can start getting
pretty good is it as good as a someone
who knows how to write well like
remarkably well no is it better than
someone who can write okay if it's given
unique data I'd say
probably interesting I would actually
kind of agree with you on more than this
than you might even admit to it which is
I do kind of agree I mean AI is only as
good as the information you feed
it and to your point about kind of the
generic freelance writer who has no idea
about the topic yeah I call that cop I
call that all the time on actually
LinkedIn and elsewhere copycat content
like that is the same exact thing as
what AI does so if like you're literally
just using somebody who has no
experience with the product no sub
expertise and they're just trying to
Google research their way to an article
then yeah of course AI is going to
be comparable maybe a little bit below
what that person does however if you're
trying to hire someone who's a subject
matter expert or they're actually taking
the time to do interviews or sub experts
which is oftentimes a lot of what I do
and what I advocate for as well like
then yeah you're going to get a probably
a much better output than you're going
to get from AI or from a generic writer
who is spending maybe a couple of hours
trying to research their way
particularly if it's on something that's
an intermediate or Advanced topic you
might be able to get around that if it's
like super 101 but even then at that
point like I to say like AI writing is
typically like kind of that C- level
student like it's going to be it's now
the new barrier to entry yeah than it
was in the past so like if you couldn't
write at a sea level before AI then AI
is going to give you a boost if you know
how to use it well however if you really
want to stand out and kind of do
something that's a little bit more
unique and going to resonate more then
I'd kind of argue at that point that
that's where we might disagree to it
where it's like yeah AI is not going to
be that level you know one of the things
I love about the way what I can do with
AI that I couldn't do before was add a
little bit of humor to my writing I'm
just not a funny guy but I find that
writing newsletter specifically lends
itself well to like just just not
writing to make people laugh out loud
but just to make them smile a little bit
as they're reading and learning a I find
AI is pretty good at making it adding
just a little fun and a little humor
more than I was and I've certainly
worked with some writers that are that
will make you laugh out loud and they
are hilarious so it's not as good as
that but that's that's pretty hard like
it's hard to come up with analogies
especially in the amount of time it
takes for it to it comes up with it so
fast I'm like man it's hard to be at
least for me
I could think of one use case though one
use case that I've discovered it's taken
me a while because I've been saying this
for a while that it can't that you need
to feed it original ideas in order for
it to be useful but I did find a use
case where I'm like ah but no it even
without feed feeding it original
material there
are the longtail of keywords of things
that you can be writing for where I
found it to be helpful because nobody
else because it's not it doesn't I'm
trying how do I say this
there's not enough traffic coming to
some of these longtail keywords to
justify hiring somebody to write a blog
post
for but if you give AI a task to write
how to grow an audience on on let's just
say Facebook and then you ask it to
write it a 100 times for the 100 most
popular like service Industries how to
grow a social media as a lawnmower
lawnmowing company how to grow on
Facebook as a fill in the
blank and maybe not a beauty salon
because there's plenty of those of comp
competition and marketing for that but
you just go down the L like roof repair
and all the different service businesses
times 100 and you just go micro and
Niche I'm like it's going to be generic
content but it's going to fit two things
together mowing lawns and Facebook
marketing bam that article is probably
going to be better than what you'd
probably find out there and if it isn't
then if you do it a 100 times half of
those articles are probably going to
rank at least on the homepage somewhere
that's my hypothesis and I'm currently
testing it yeah I've definitely
experimented a lot with programmatic SEO
which is kind of what you described
right there yeah I would say for the
most part then
like if it's a core vertical even if
it's a super low traffic estimate first
of all in my experience hevs is usually
not as accurate as you think it is um
when it comes to that sort of thing and
I I have multiple examples of keywords
and this is kind of an industry SEO
secret of keywords that show up as zero
or as like 10 searches a month that end
up getting my clients like a thousand
yeah and I'm not that is not that is not
the data is really bad and I agree with
you because I've I've ranked for things
that it's like oh yeah that only gets
500 it actually gets 5,000 it's 10 times
off or it says 5,000 it's 500 I know
because I rank for it and I can do the
math you know so they're remarkably bad
but it's it's not uncommon to think of
like hey are there roofers that are
looking for Facebook marketing
probably right absolutely and I would
say in general like if it is a core
vertical of or a core niche of your
product and I do a lot of work in
software companies um so like if it's in
part of your current particle and even
if it is low traffic I would probably
still put ideally a subject matter
expert writer or a writer who can
interview someone who's a subject matter
expert on that content and then for
those like lesser known niches and if
once you already have you know assuming
if it's a 100 articles that you're
trying to write on this yeah and you
already have 10 of them and maybe
there's you know 10 more that probably
could be written by human but the rest
of those yeah that point like feeded the
content and then have it spared out and
then have somebody edit it yeah so
programmatic SEO I mean it's it is
programmatic but it's kind it kind of is
it's kind of not programmatic SEO is
really specific in being able to use an
algorithm to be able to create a page
that scrap together enough data to
actually call it a page right like
zapier did or like lots lots of other
sites have done this it was really hard
to do but now with AI I'm like it
actually fills in the gaps of what
programmatic SEO was missing and it's
not
even I guess it's programmatic but it
still feels a lot different than
programmatic SEO did yeah I feel like
everyone has a different term a
different way of describing programmatic
SEO I kind of view it as anything and I
also think a lot of programmatic SEO
probably shouldn't even exist some of it
is just downright
spam yeah however in other cases in
other cases like when the kind of EX
what we're talking about it actually
makes sense but it's all about kind of
first principle thinking about okay
where does it actually like does this
actually make sense and is the traffic
that we might get from it actually going
to be useful because at least in my
experience a lot of times people get
into you get like a really technical SEO
and be like I can just create these
pages from
scratch or whatever and you end up
ranking for things that are never ever
going to be relevant traffic or relevant
leads or any sort of relevant conversion
for the compan yep yep no there's all
kind of dangers and P holes there um I'm
kind of waiting for the day that someone
just creates a web scraper that goes and
reads all the reviews left on Yelp and
Google for individual companies and just
writes awesome summary pages of them
based on real people's data I'm like
someone's gonna do that and it's gonna
be awesome and terrifying at the same
time because sometimes it's gonna be so
far off and it's gonna like it's gonna
down companies right because too many
negative reviews and we know Yelp is
like prone to negative reviews for some
reason and has been painful I've been on
that side of yel it
sucks I don't know it'll be interesting
to see what PE how program programmers
build tools to do all kinds of new
program programmatic SEO with yeah
absolutely moving on from writing or
actually moving on from like using AI to
do the writing tell me about how you're
using AI to do everything else around
the writing since you are a fantastic
writer how are you using it to help you
accelerate that writing yeah absolutely
so in general the ways that I'm really
using AI the most these days has been
for what I like to call either sometimes
for radiation to kind of get over rers
block so occasionally like everyone has
rers block so it's like I often will
kind of go in there and just have feed
at some tools and be like here's X Y and
Z things like you know about this I'll
feed at some original ideas help me get
something started I often find that I
maybe only use 10% of what AI gives me
um but that 10% is usually jumping off
point to make it a lot faster the other
way I like to use it in that sort of
sense is I want to see like AI is all
about pattern matching right so like if
I'm not feeding it original ideas I want
to see what's out there because that's
generally going to be the most general
advice and the things that everyone
talks about so I'm like okay I probably
need to include some of this if I want
to rank on Google for example however I
also want to make sure I have some sort
of originality nugget something in there
that's going to be different even if
it's only 10% of the article that can
make a huge difference um when it comes
to not only wanking but also actually
resonating with people and actually
getting people to take your desired call
Action the other way I like to use it is
at the very end of the process which is
for like editing and what what I call
more like role playing because it's not
really like a human editor it's more
like role playing to help me spot out
gaps what is in this article like an
oftentimes I will be like if it's an
seop pce I'll look at like the 10
articles that are ranking and be like
what are the unanswered questions from
all of these articles help me figure out
you know what are the questions you
might still have and I'll get it to kind
of ask so make sure that I can include
that in my article and I also will go in
through my own article and be like what
are the unanswered questions what are
the gaps and it helps me kind of make
sure that I'm backing up claims for
example or adding more examples or
making sure that I'm explaining what it
g tell me how you're doing it
specifically so going back to ideation
what are you prompting it with are you
saying hey write an out outline for an
article written on this keyword just to
tease it out what are you prompting it
with good question I'm not a huge fan of
using the same like tempered prompts I
kind of find that it's better at least
for my own use cases for like each
individual one yes do I have certain
things that I tend to reuse over and
ever again absolutely but I'm usually
going back to okay what is this article
about what's the angle I start to think
through like what is my angle and what's
my thesis and I'll kind of prompt it
with that and be like give me 10 ideas
or give me 20 ideas or give me 20 examp
give me 20 examples just to kind of
start
spitballing you know what I found is
that sometimes you ask it to go in a
certain direction and write an outline
or something but it goes off into a
ditch but I did find a process with it
that was kind of
interesting one of the things I love
about chat GPT is it can do research on
Bing which is just amazing because then
you don't have to do it
actually built this custom GPT that you
pretty much just give it your keyword
and then it goes and searches on that
keyword on Bing and I wish it were on
Google but you know it doesn't have
access to Google it's got access to Bing
which is fine and then it just goes and
reads the top five articles that rank
for that keyword on Bing and then it
does a summary of each of them to kind
of give you an idea of like what's
ranking and what's the angle of those
articles and then it goes I think you I
also give it
the it it it summarizes it tries to
figure out what's the
intent based on what it's read so far
and what it knows about the keyword it
also takes a shot at thinking again it's
like one of those take your time take a
deep breath think slowly AI what do you
think the searcher's intent is behind
this keyword after going and doing some
initial reading on Bing its ability to
find the intent I find to be remarkably
good which is kind of like the hard part
of SEO sometimes is actually triggering
Pi trying to pick out like why is
someone searching for this what are they
looking
for and that part it's actually pretty
good that's what I use it for right now
yeah I I use that quite a bit as well
and as used a couple of chat TPT plugins
um to kind of do a little bit more of
that and then recently I started
experimenting a little bit more with
perplexity AI um and kind of doing a lot
of my research there as well as on
Google as well as on chbt it's called
perplexity AI what does it do it is
basically
like a way to a faster way to search the
web with
AI have to check is this a free tour or
is this a paid tool I don't know how I'm
using the free
version yeah I'm not paying for it so it
has a free yes to perplexity decom that
is not
it perplexity AI it's oh interesting so
where knowledge begins so you're just
taking all your Google searches into
this thing now not all of my Google
searches but I'm defin using it more and
more for that yeah and I'm looking at
something that looks like a search page
yes and then of course I have Chachi BT
plus
which yeah is where I'm doing the
majority of that
work necessity these days is chat gbt
plus right yeah since I have a couple of
custom chat gbt plugins and then I find
that I like had saved and bookmarked
different chats that I've done in the
past and I'll kind of keep we using them
and kind of creating my own custom
almost custom GPT like thing based off
of information that I've already fed it
often times over weeks or
months oh perplexity AI is cool how did
I not know about this it's like it's
like chat GPT but it's giving you a ton
of images and YouTube videos and a very
few but a few links to search results
but combined because I asked how to
build a home video Studio it's a key
word I know I rank for so I wanted to
see by how I influenced it and uh there
I am I see my picture it's very small
but I I do see myself in
there interesting I also say in general
when it comes to tat PT going back to
another use cases that I use all the
time when it comes to writing is like if
I do an in if I'm sometimes doing
interviews and there's no proprietary
information I'll take the transcript
I'll feed it into dobt and get it to ask
me questions and pull out quotes for me
just a little bit faster
yeah so you say you're using it to do
editing but just to suggest edits you
won't have it rewrite for you sometimes
I'll have it
rewrite I want to say it's about 50/50
whether I go with the rewrite or I go in
and change it again but I'm definitely
using it to help me spot gaps and back
up claims and stuff like that moving on
from writing you said you're using AI to
do a lot of admin tasks what kind of
admin tasks are you using it for and are
you automating any of it yeah I would
say some of it is like things that I was
to even doing a little bit before AI
that now ai helps me with a little bit
more although I still find that when I'm
using AI I usually have to put like my
assistant to help with some guard rails
to make sure it doesn't go off the rails
so like it's any Tye of admin task that
is super repetitive so things that
you're doing all of the time like for
example you know sending a notification
into a slack channel for like hey remind
me of this goal or what remind me of
this task or you know send me a
notification when I get a mention on
next topic or whatever that's how I've
been using a automation predominately
through zappier for that since well
before chat TPT was a
thing increasingly now with chbt and the
fact that you can get it to kind of do a
little bit of research and writing for
you I'm finding new ways to explore that
particular when it comes to like bis Dev
task or social media task that I'm like
it's a not writing anything for me but
it is helping me notify and find things
like helping me kind of do searches and
notify things so that I can then go in
and write it myself but like I don't
necessarily have to
spend as much time as I used to doing
that task tell me about some of the
things you're using zapier for yeah let
me okay so some of the ways that I'm
using zapier today is like I use Trello
as a project manage as my project
management software that's kind of where
all of my internal task and then all of
my client work and like pretty much
anyone who I collaborate with
internally all of that's in trolo so
like anytime I have a deadline things
are again this is not really AI related
but it is automation related anytime
there's a deadline it's pinks me in
slack or it pinks me in email depending
on what it's for um I'll use it to kind
of create different cards for me based
off of an so I have an email get an
assignment from a client or whatever it
automatically adds it into Charo for me
wow that's pretty cool so the email
every time you get an email from a
certain person it's like oh turn this
email into a task and then it embeds the
email into the thing yeah and that's all
done through zapier did you need AI to
help you with that though as I feel like
that would have been an integration that
already worked yeah I didn't need AI for
that that's just more on the automation
side yeah yeah
now what I'm kind of starting to do a
little bit more of is taking that
automation a step further where it's
like usually I didn't have to kind of
edit it a little bit but now I can be
like okay go into chat TBT and do a
little bit of re or go into proxity and
do a little bit of research on this
topic and kind of get it started for me
so I kind of get some ideas behind it or
what I've done in the past and this is
through AI is whenever I do an
interview once the that's done recording
on Zoom it automatically goes into rev
and then using rev Max which is their AI
Subscription Service it will
automatically automate it and then the
part I haven't done necessarily
automated fully yet but it's on my to-do
list it's to send that back into
Trello yeah I'm trying to look for like
something that it can do an automate
that's like multi-step without me having
to interfere with it and I haven't found
it yet I've built a lot of custom gpts
but I find that I'm like I could
automate this whole process but I'm like
again like I said before sometimes even
with multi-step things it goes off into
a ditch
frequently and it's it's if you're there
walking it through step by step it's
easy to correct be like oh no not that
do this and it's like okay and then it
goes back into the right direction but
I'm like if you automating it all the
way like like even for the show like I I
have a custom gpta I call my
showrunner and I just copy and paste
each guest LinkedIn profile it's well
first I'm like I click the button it's
like hey we doing a solo episode we are
you doing a guest I'm like guest you're
like great drop their LinkedIn profile
before I copy and paste LinkedIn profile
gives it context and then goes and takes
their name and title does some research
on bring does a summary of the person
they're like hey this person's good X Y
and Z do you have a do you want to
interview them on one of these topics or
do you want
to do you have a topic in mind usually I
have a topic in mind right so I put that
title it Blends what it knows about the
guest and what it knows about the show
because that's loaded in the
instructions already and then comes up
with four or five unique angles and then
I pick an angle it then comes up with
titles I pick a title see it's a very
collaborative process where it's like
then now what now what now what I'm like
I'd automate the whole thing but it's
ability to actually find because I have
to make so many choices in between it
that I'm like it's ability to actually
deliver the result and just go all the
way through I just give it a LinkedIn
profile and it spits out everything I
need is going to be really
low it has to give me options of which I
have to choose from because it it's not
quite smart enough to be able to choose
it by itself yet yeah absolutely I
couldn't agree more and I that's kind of
one of the reasons why when it comes to
any sort of AI things I'm doing i s to
you don't really have a lot of
multi-step processes when it comes to AI
like AI is helping me with things but
like if it's
multi-step either I'm collaborating with
it pretty closely or I'm putting my
assistant to collaborate with it even
closer as well just because I it go to
your point it just goes off the rails
and then it's also one of the reasons
why I
think people over like people who don't
know much about AI or people who don't
know much about an industry at least
right now over estimate what it can do
like it can do a lot it is freaking
incredible yeah and if your entire job
is what are we doing something really
repetitive and mundane then yeah your
job probably is at risk already from AI
but however to your point a lot of
things AI is really good as a co-pilot
or as a collaborator and it's not
necessarily anywhere close to the level
where it could go off on its own without
creating some issues now will we get to
that point in 10 years or 20 years or 30
years probably but at that point we're
also probably looking at general
intelligence which creates its whole new
can of worms it's amazing what it can do
though there are like there are many
processes I've cut down from two hours
to five minutes like my showrunner used
to do or does now for every single guest
I have on I made
one that took a one Monon process and
cut it into a 30 minute process
it's it's it's long it's a custom GPT
where you really have to babysit it for
20 20 to 30 minutes it takes it that
long to actually do the work and
oftentimes because it's such heavy work
it'll fail and you have to restart it
which is why it takes 20 to 30 minutes
because it's long we used to when I
worked for a podcast agency we used to
come up with these things called show
Bibles is a strategic plan for a podcast
about who's listening why they're
listening why would they care what are
the pains they feel and how does this
how does this content map to their pain
it takes and this what I made a custom
GPT do is all based on being search and
very very little input but it'll come up
with the whole strategic name and a
strategic plan for for a podcast will it
do it as good as a podcast strategist
will no but you now get a podcast
strategy that's better than that's more
more strategic thinking about a podcast
and what it should be and what it could
be and who why it matters than most
people then I'd say 99% of podcasters
ever put into their podcast you can now
accomplish if you just walk it through
the baby steps on this chat gbt so and I
have a client that I just I'm starting
to work with that has this two- week
process they go through in their
consultation of coming up
with scenarios for their clients but the
scenarios take a long time to think
through but I'm like looking at it I'm
like this is this is going to turn your
two-e process into a one day process but
it doesn't fully automate it at least
not yet we we might get there but it's
still going to take eight hours of work
but at least it's not could to be 80
hours of work it's but it's still it's a
heck of a lot of work done are you still
finding it's like making you 10 times
more productive where would you say like
the productivity rate for you is with AI
I think it I mean yes it's definitely a
productivity boost I think it depends on
what I'm using it for depending on if
it's you know saving me five minutes or
potentially saving me from making a
catastrophic mistake or saving me 12
hours similar to you I think it's a
great co-pilot I don't think it's good
enough at least in for anything I'm
using it for to do something completely
from scratch however when it comes to
you know feeding it the a good idea and
having it work through scenarios and
different things yeah that definitely
speeds up how fast I can think through
different things and you potentially
even think of things that I didn't
wouldn't even have even thought of yeah
but by left un check by itself it's not
going to do any of that so like
for like a competitor so like if I'm
doing like you know competitor research
or whatnot I'll be like hey like this
like I have a whole checklist and a
whole plan for what I do yeah but yes AI
is definitely cutting that process from
what used to take you know two or three
days and or my poor assistant having to
like manually do a lot of work there's
still some of that it's now cut at least
my time on it to like a few hours
yeah would you say that you're able to
do twice as much work three times as
much as you were like three years ago
before AI was a
thing more work yes two to three times
more no because it's also like AI is
taking out at least for my own
experience some of the menial or some of
the administrative or repetitive things
but like often the hardest work is the
thinking like I'm a copywriter by trade
so when it comes to writing it's not
really about the writing it's about the
positioning it's about being a clear
thinker it's about clear communication
AI certainly helping me but like a lot
of that is still like on me to do to
like you know feed the right information
and to think through all the different
models and how that's going to relate to
a positioning whether it's positioning a
piece of content or you know doing a
website redesign or something like that
so like AI helps that process but like I
don't think you can do 3x the amount of
websites just based off of the amount of
thinking that it requires would you say
you'd be able to be 50% more productive
because of it like would your if you
would if you weren't doing all the
things and just had to go write an
article a
day I don't I don't know what your your
article output would have been a week
but are you able to do like 50% more
articles at the same quality you were
before well I mean I do a lot more like
landing pages and email copy and kind of
what website copy then I do articles
although I definitely still do some
articles as
well I would say maybe about like 25%
more
output is generous and that's just more
because a lot of it is related to kind
of thinking through ideas thinking
through positioning and like yeah AI
helps with that but it's not like you
know you still have to do a lot of that
hard work and you only have so many
hours of like Flow State in the day at
least most people do yeah absolutely if
you're if you're an absolute machine and
you can you know consistently have a
high level output of you know for you
know eight 10 or 12 hours a day of like
strategic work Hats Off to
you I don't think that's most people so
like you know there's only a certain
number of hours a day where you can
really do strategy and typically for
most people that kind of Falls between
four and six hours can you work more
than that
absolutely but like it's not going to be
like your highest level strategic
work what have been your best
recommendations for getting started with
AI best recommendation is assuming
you're not just you know completely
trying to dis regret it all entirely
which there's definitely some people who
are doing that and hats off of to you I
also hope if you're one of those people
listening to this and
you're scared of AI and don't want to
touch it at all have some sort of career
Exit Plan in the next 10 years my
recommendation to
you however for anyone else who's a
little bit curious or of it but is not
really sure kind of how they should be
using it I just say started
experimenting like a lot of these tools
have free versions um just started
experimenting and start thinking through
like you know doing like basic stuff
like one of the first things I did when
I first started AI was like create a
recipe for me like a cooking recipe or
you know Analyze This YouTube video or
something where you can just start to
see like what it can do and
then start to audit all of the
repetitive tasks that you do in a given
day or just even in a given week I can
guarantee there's probably at least
three task that could be automated or
you could use AI to speed up your time
those are also just like once you kind
of get your bearings with AI those are a
really good place to start and then
start to experiment a little bit more
with
it one of my favorite books on of all
time that's helped me with my career
it's not a marketing book per se but I
know it's impacted a lot of marketers
it's called the 4-Hour Work week right
it's like a classic written in the mid
2000s about how to become so freaking
productive that you can work in under
four hours a week and still make a
full-time living as a solopreneur or as
a a remote worker one of the things that
he talks about in there that I love is I
he calls it like I think it's a
three-step process to like Freedom or
something like that he proba a smarter
way to put it but is essentially like
look through all the things that you're
doing do an audit of everything you do
and uh number one get rid of all just
get rid eliminate everything that you're
doing that is isn't pushing the needle
forward can you get how how much can you
get off your plate before we get to the
next Two Steps step one eliminate it
step two automate
it right which is where you're getting a
lot with zappier and you're St to
automate all the little tiny tasks even
small things of just copying and pasting
something over into another field or app
can you automate it with something like
zapier to just move it over taking your
email move it it into Trello it's just
another little thing that just happens
automatically now and the last one he
talked about was delegate which is where
I find is very interesting for AI right
now because what AI used to do or what
you used to had to delegate to maybe
like an administrative assistant now ai
can do some of those things and do them
pretty well not always you can't you
can't give AI a list and be like hey the
example he even gives of the book is
likei want I want to interview more
people on this topic I have this one as
a good example but I don't need them I
already have his contact info go find
the contact info of five more people
like this person right that would be
hard for AI to do well but there's a lot
of things that it can do well so it's
starting to blur the lines between
Automation and delegation I'm finding
you're able to automate more there's a
little things that it can do and fill in
that you weren't you couldn't do um
programmatically before yeah I would
definitely agree with that I still think
yeah as someone who has an assistant and
stuff like that I still think there are
certain tasks that like need to be done
by a human if for no other reason is AI
can't do it yet or it just goes off the
rail and it's just not reliable enough
for sure or and or the task is important
enough where it's like somebody else
needs to be babysitting this
task but to your point I've also read
the 4our week quick a couple times I
feel like one of the biggest sticking
points for me kind of that I indirectly
got from the book and I think it kind of
Whispers it within the book which is
like you should be leveling up and if
you're doing the exact same thing 18
months from 18 months from now that you
were doing back then like you're
probably either have a fixed mindset and
or you know kind of coasting a little
bit and if you kind of want to grow and
that's fine if that's kind of your goal
is just you know make money and then
have your passions be outside of that
however if you're a little bit more
ambitious and or wanting to kind of
advance in your career like you should
never be doing the same thing for 18
months and I'd even argue now with AI
where is boring the lines a little bit
more if you're still doing the same
thing a year from now you probably start
reevaluating what you're exactly you're
doing and figure out ways of things that
you can how you can level up whether
that's through automation through AI
through
delegation well Jessica this has been a
fantastic conversation I know I'm
excited about where AI is going and how
how much we can accomplish now
especially as solo preneurs with AI
because I mean we we have I mean we have
us and we might have an administrative
assistant we might even grow the company
but with AI I feel like there's so much
more that can be accomplished and I know
you you talk about that online where can
people go to connect more with you learn
more about what you're doing with AI as
well as marketing and writing yeah
absolutely so I feel like the best
places you can find me on social media
would be on LinkedIn I'm still kind of
on Twitter X as well as and a little bit
more on thrid if for like more personal
stuff you can also subscribe to my
newsletter newsletter. theer remotework
tribe.com it's kind of my other site
where I'm kind of talking a little bit
about helping Founders and marketers
lead remote first teams and I talk a lot
about AI through that newsletter um
again that's newsletter that do the
remotework tribe.com um and you can also
find me on my website which is just J
mic.com fantastic again thanks so much
for joining me awesome thank you so much
