AI in Action: A Strategy for Enhanced Buyer Personas w/Ryan Paul Gibson
Turn first-party buyer research into a living resource by making it queryable inside the workspace where marketing and sales teams make real decisions.
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A Buyer Persona Should Be Available When the Work Happens
Most companies put real effort into customer research, then hide the result in a slide deck, a drive folder, or a wiki page that gets opened only when someone remembers it exists. The problem is not that the research lacks value. It is that the information is disconnected from the moments when marketing and sales teams need it.
A living buyer persona changes that. It makes first-party research queryable inside a familiar work environment, so a team can ask for the top pain point, test a value proposition, look for supporting customer language, or outline content that speaks to a real buying concern.
Put Research in the Team’s Existing Workspace
The useful interface is often the tool people already keep open. For one experiment, customer-research PDFs were uploaded to an AI assistant and connected to Slack through an integration tool. The team could query those files in the same channel where questions and decisions were already happening.
That matters because it reduces the friction of finding information. Instead of interrupting a conversation to search a folder, someone can ask a focused question and get an answer grounded in the supplied research. The goal is not another dashboard or another screen. It is easier access to knowledge the business has already paid to gather.
The same approach can work in other team environments when the data, permissions, and integration choices fit the organization.
Use the Persona to Test Real Work
The most practical queries are attached to decisions. A sales team can ask how to respond to an objection. A content marketer can identify the language customers use for a problem, then create a brief or outline. A website team can test whether a headline matches the buyer’s stated priorities.
The key is that the assistant is not inventing a persona from general internet patterns. It is drawing from the company’s own interviews, research reports, and buyer observations. That gives the output useful context, while still requiring a human to judge whether the suggestion fits the situation.
Keep the Knowledge Current and Scoped
A research-backed assistant has limits. Static documents age. Markets change, product capabilities change, and new customer conversations can introduce a challenge the old data does not cover. Plan to refresh and enrich the source material rather than treating the first upload as permanent truth.
It also helps to separate broad and narrow use cases. A broad assistant can help a team retrieve information across a body of research. Narrow assistants can guide a specific job, such as building a campaign brief or preparing an interview. The narrower the task, the more explicit the instructions and success criteria can be.
Treat It as Capacity, Not Magic
This kind of system does not replace customer conversations or a customer advisory panel. It increases the capacity of the team between those conversations. It helps people retrieve, test, and apply what customers have already taught the company while the original research remains relevant.
Start with a well-researched persona and one repeatable team question. Put the material where the team already works, define what the assistant should and should not answer, and test it against real decisions. When it works, the buyer persona stops being a document and becomes part of the daily operating system.
In this episode of the AI-Driven Marketer, Dan Sanchez talks with Ryan Paul Gibson about the groundbreaking concept of 'Living Buyer Personas' through the integration of AI with Slack and Teams. Ryan shares his journey from the inception of this idea to its execution, explaining the technicalities, challenges, and immense potential of using AI to access and utilize deep buyer persona information instantly. Discover how this innovative approach can transform your marketing and sales strategies by making detailed customer insights readily accessible in your daily workflow.
Episode Timestamps:
- 00:00 - Introduction to Ryan Paul Gibson and the concept of 'Living Buyer Personas'
- 01:20 - How 'Living Buyer Personas' originated and the motivation behind them
- 05:00 - The technical integration of AI with Slack/Teams for real-time data queries
- 10:57 - Practical applications and real-world use cases of 'Living Buyer Personas'
- 17:29 - Discussing the dynamic and static nature of data within AI integrations
- 23:53 - Future visions for AI integrations and enhancing workflow efficiency
- 27:09 - The importance of creating actionable and enriched buyer personas
- 33:07 - Comparing custom GPTs: Narrow vs. broad applications in marketing
- 37:26 - The potential for marketers to leverage 'Living Buyer Personas'
- 41:26 - Closing thoughts and where to learn more about Ryan's work
welcome back to the microskills podcast I'm Dan Sanchez and we're on a mission to empower marketers with what's going on with AI to make the most out of it today I'm thrilled to be talking to Ryan Gibson about something he's created something he's experimenting with called living by our personas so Ryan for starters just welcome to the show yeah thank you for having me I'm honored because it's a new territory for me so I'm almost like anxious to speaking about it I know it's like I said before we started recording it's new territory for everybody everybody's pushing the envelope everybody's an experimental stage I wouldn't say anybody's got like the inbound marketing like method of AI yet no one
everybody's everybody's experimenting right now and trying to see what they think they can get out of it there's some tried and true plays out there you know like oh I can use AI to turn my my podcast transcript into contact great like okay everybody's kind of figured that out like we got that that one thing figured out but that's not a strategy that's a very small tactic that we were already doing you know so I'm excited to look at some of these some Fringe cases of where people are plugging things together and making making some useful stuff with that and I think that's what you have going on here so let's let's start with explaining like the concept of living by a person on us and kind of how it originated for you so to explain what it is just in like Frank terms it's
rated no very deep first-party data into like just the the back end of open apis assistance right because there's like the chat GPT that you can build your custom chats and there's the opening open AI section where you can have API Keys talk to each other right so what I've done is I just uploaded a data set into an assistant and I connected it to slack and the reason I wanted to do that is I wanted to be able to query my own data in slack and there's a rationale for that so how did that come up how did this come to be there sort of two driving forces and this might take me a bit to get through Dan so I hope this is not like a rambling answer the first one was
you know when I worked in house one of the challenges and you've worked in Houston and companies before one of like the key friction points to your day today is just trying to find stuff like trying to find information that you need to make decisions in like that in that moment right and they're spread out all over the place sometimes they're in a drive folder or an online server maybe they're in some type of Wicca like a notion or a Confluence just like thread buried somewhere right it like it was not ongoing thing to talk about creating a single source of truth because of that problem like so constant thing for years and that's something happens in meetings like you're in meetings
asking questions and you're like trying to find information on the fly so I had this thought around like well what if I could just have the information come to me like instantly that I need to find to make that decision in the moment and then the second sort of guiding thought in my brain was I work as a consultant now I have for the last few years the output of my work is deep like qualitative first party analysis of like buying Journeys and how to be companies make decisions on like vendors and how they buy Solutions and it's like a lot like if you've seen one of my reports it's a lot and I try to whittle it down to executive summary and you know an action points for people but like most Consultants of living and a folder somewhere
21 years and Consultants come in with good work and sometimes it just gets lost to time so I was like I didn't like that I didn't like that it just sits there and doesn't necessarily get socialized so I was thinking how can I get this data into the like the daily workflow of people so that was I started looking around for options around what I can use to do that and I had this Moment of clarity because I still work as a as a fractional part time for software company here in Canada so I'm in their slack all day just seeing what's going on chiming in the conversation and I was like What if I could just pull the information here and that's when I started looking for the integration and that's what led me to
Persona so now what it is is it's all my all the data sets that I gather for first-party data it's in an assistant through open API and I can go into slack and just query the data in real time so I'll stop there but that was sort of like that was the progression to how I got to where I am so tell me a little bit about the how it's all integrated together like when you're so you're able you're you're you're using slack is the interface to call the information where is it getting called from yeah so this is where my like I'm still in the Journey of trying to understand how to format the data and a good way but what's happening is if anyone has used to build their own GPT which I have
most of us have done to build their own sort of internal database that they use I was like that was great so I dumped all my information from my own work into their because I have an online guide and I was like it could be really interesting to like build that for my own client to use the online interview guide so I started there and how you build the data sets into that the base of 101 way is just PDFs so you're you're you're you're you're downloading all the information to
so you can do the same thing on the open AI assistant side where you you can upload the exact same PDFs and if you look at the two sort of operating systems the GPT operating system in the open AI Operating Center almost identical right there's more bells and whistles on that side on the opening a the open AI side so I was like okay well how do I connect these two so I just started Googling videos like YouTube videos same way you like how do I fix my broken sink how do I how do I connect these two things so I found a few ways to do that and there's it's either you can do it through code scripts which I found a medium blog or someone who
so you grab the API key from slack and you have to create like your own sort of app through the API key and then you create you grab the API key through open a openai and you can spend up a script to the side and talk to each other but that's not me like I'm not I'm not a coder I don't know how to use any type of coding language I'm not use case where I like no codes stuff so I used as zapier there's other ones you can use this one I found called plug bear and I'm sure that all the other integration softwares like make I know there's other ones they're probably going to have their own version of this so what I've done is you just add the API
workflow and then they start talking to each other and it's pretty quick it looks like it depends on if they're throttling or not like the usage that day cuz you know you buy credits and then you do an API call and then you know it the machines talk to each other and the fastest thing I've done is like three seconds for me to query date and get it back last night I was tested before we talked so I wanted to see what was happening it was taking about 10 to 12 seconds but even then it's still not too bad I noticed there was slow last night too for some reason that I'm like oh lots of people using chat GPT right now because an answer yeah yeah so I hope that answered the question I might have missed something yeah but that's really the basics of her work you're starting with Slack
it's going to zapier calling and then calling chat gpt's gpt's AI through the API piece here so where you updating data into the back end of open AA so I can hear you can store it back there yes I didn't realize you could like so are you uploading PDFs in the back end is it a custom GPT or is it in the in the city it's in the API developer part so if you go to so when I just open open API now and there's two there's two it's like 200 Adventure right so they have chat GPT box Do you want to build that
go to the the back end API section and that's the part that often for people like me who are not technical like this intimidating and still is to be honest but that is where there's a little robot in their sidebar Navigation says assistance and that is is basically identical to building your own GPT like private GPS and people have been doing so you can just go up in the sidebar and says create a little plus sign and you look at it it's almost identical to how you do to GPT there's a few more elements that you need to sort of understand you know and you have to based on what part of the the model you pick for people aren't familiar like there's different GPT models now that you can access
there's four turbo just for 3.5 turbo 16 like there's all these variations and some of them won't retrieve data from static documents that I've uploaded some will so you just have to make sure you have the right one added there's a part there's a section in those assistance called retrieval and I'm just reading it now retrievals the assistant with knowledge from your files once a file is uploaded you can retrieve from the content that has to be check boxed and then once you upload the PDFs you're pretty much set the first part of it and then you have to set up all the infrastructure but that's no different than what I was doing with my own data set in my personal GPT where I'm just uploading PDFs right what I've heard though and I don't know if this is true
this would be something for you to sort of investigate As you move along I was talking to a colleague this week and he said his understanding is that the API is actually has less hallucinations is more accurate and is faster than the cheap PT side of things I don't know if that's true but I'm hearing that so it sounds like it would be true just because of her can dial it in like on the GPD side you don't get to pick which GPT use I mean you do you get to pick between 3.5 and 4 great but it's actually all these versions of it and there's also another tool I've noticed when you're done playing going through the API there's like a little slider I forgot what they call it but like do you want to be more exact or do you
get more freedom and giving you an answer back I haven't seen that one that's good to know because I've used some tools where I can like for my own CRM there's like a oh send send information to GPT and get it get it back and put it into a field and there's this like little slider that I've seen on a few tools now where it's like how how do you want your data back do you want to be stay really strict and concise or do you want to give it more freedom yeah so that's kind of a thing that I know exists back there okay yeah I'm learning so it's good I'll start looking for it now they're probably both in the same area where I'm like just behind you cuz I thought about going back there and I just haven't gone back to the API yet but I'm looking at tools that do and I've also
Play No code tools cuz I'm starting to think like how do I build an interface where people can work through this yeah absolutely okay so that's interesting essentially it gives you a way for multiple people the query from slack the data and people from it are you writing instructions to on how that data needs to come back not yet that's for the next step for me and just kind of using it as data retrieval yeah for now right how I can talk about how I'm using it is sort of more specifically but just to one thing you said in slack I haven't done one with teams you can do the same thing with teams Microsoft teams because the many people using teams and if anyone's looked at the user the youth space the user base but teams is like dramatically more
so you can do both but there's still limitations to what I'm doing where it's just one channel in slack so it's not like I can just call the boss a bot in any channel but zapier has built there is a way to do that I don't know how to do that technically zappers integration where you can build that I think it's like 20 dollars a month it's a chatbot and that bot lives agnostic to any channels so I can go into any channel I can I can I can I can query the Bots with whatever I want to know and it'll spit out the information to the query within that channel so that's really interesting thing is it just cost money right so that's the trade-off for
build your own versus buy off the shelf so it's how I'm sorry your question was I got a question there and I missed it I'm sorry can we go back to your question your call what it was is how are you using this then yeah one of the reasons I wanted to do that play around with his like how can I get access information real time to like actually address things that are happening in the business so you know we some of these cases we seen we talked about it is someone has like a transcript they're trying to turn to blog posts and that's fine but I care more about is you know what how can I get on the Fly and brainstorm and address situations that come up in a company within the operating system
let me give you an example I sales has ejections all the time if you're working in a B2B environment in sales comes up with objections and something maybe something comes up or they're not sure how to handle it and you would see like the chatter in the sales team this is the question coming in this is how I've done in the past and so on which is fine what I started doing was I started pinging my chatbot about objections around say interviewing customers and like one objection I get in my work is we'll see what does a one invest in customer research right so I ping my chatbot I'm getting this objection can you formulate a response to give me some ideas of how I would battle this objection and its out information on how to do that you know or
telling me how can I write an objection to that great other things I've been doing is you know what's the top pain point for this customer I did a research report for a company that want to expand into Long Haul Trucking with their software so that's one of the data sets I loaded up into chat gbt and then slack I'm I asked it okay what's the top pain so give me the top pain that it faces and it was you know the top paying security loads and loads is like how to actually find new low like cargo loads transport and securing me and she's like how do I actually find one to to buy and get money from a contract so I was like great write me a Blog outline that can talk to that
give me some ideas and pull customer quotes quotes from the interviews that I can put into the blog and give me an outline give me the blog so like interesting like that those are real use cases and now the team that's working in slack can see that and say that's interesting how can we use that you know creamy for LinkedIn post and I talked to this or we have a campaign coming up how can I structure a campaign or on the Riverside I took copy from some of the technology Stacks that they were talking about and some of the tools they use and I took their H1 H2S and ran it against the research and slacked to say does this fit with the value proposition and the pain points of these these buyers they would give me some guidance on whether that copy makes sense it's just really interesting to see how you can use it because the
give me some answers I'm using the data that's coming from my customers point of view and like it's contextualized in their business model how they evaluate vendor Solutions and then how can I leverage that information to like actually generate ideas for marketing and sales in the business so this is really fascinating essentially you've created a robust buyer Persona and then you're just able to query it all the time you're able to ask it different questions which is way more helpful than going to your buddy and asking like hey do you think this works how do you feel about this yeah you can literally just ask ask Japanese
kicking around in my head for the last couple of weeks is you know anyone that's worked in B2B for some time with large custom with large you know medium the large size businesses that's such a really traditional tool
as a vetting process for the things you want to do whether its products ideation you know campaign ideation anything Trends now it will this replace that absolutely not but if anyone who's worked with panels they realize it's hard to get these people's attention and get their time because they're busy like they have their own businesses to run and you have to respect their time this is what I care about with this technology is how do I increase workflow capacity like I don't expect it to like wave this magic wand and it's going to solve all my problems what I care about is how do I increase velocity of work right and get to outcomes faster that is like one key way as someone who's worked customer
using the technology to help app like as a support system to things I'm already doing right so maybe I only have to convene my customer panel every so often because now I have something I can query in real time continually and use it to like inform how I'm thinking about the business so another way you could do this is through chat gpt's like business new business account right since you can build and share custom GPS now yeah but that would require everybody in the company having access to a license for the that cut the check GPT business which is like 50 bucks a month so that yeah this slack thing actually becomes way more cost-effective even if you're having to pay the bill of
so this becomes much more cost-effective way of doing that just to that like I'm not saying this is a solution for everybody but I so I audit buying Journeys all the time like that's my whole thing and one of the things I hear consistently of the last three years is I don't want another screen and I get why like we're all jumping around from tabs to Table Right most companies don't want to the screen they wanted to so this is a way to like sort of Leverage a screen they always have open and they don't have to leave it and you can integrate the two that's why I like the idea of approaching it this way because it allows them to use
it's a question of helping them understand how to do all the stuff that we're doing already and you know gpt's but you just have to do it within the operating system they use commonly which is slack for teams so yeah but you're right you could do it that way as well and there's nothing wrong with the way you just suggested now this is only pulling information out it doesn't put information back in is that right yeah correct so you are at the mercy of the static information that's there so there's a you know there is a what's the word I'm looking for you know it it gets old that's the problem with data that's static is that there's a limitation there's an age limit to it right it's going to it's going to it's going to age
relevancy within a certain time frame and I know that if someone who works with with data and customer research so you'll probably at some point have to you know a refresh the data or enrich the data and you know with new learnings as it comes if that's what you're getting at Ya some companies are working on that already like a a company known well they also built an integration for slack where it's like scanning slack for mentions of any customer at any time but they're currently use case and I think they're coming up with multiple use cases be interesting because I'm like oh this would be a use case that would that they could easily tap into they've already Integrations but they're doing it more for like a customer service indicator problem or it's like we don't know how well a customer is actually doing because the communication
actually there's a problem here and nobody else knows about it we should notify this week yeah that's what they're working on which is interesting because it's powerful even if it's static but if you can make a dynamic that's kind of like the next level up but that's obviously like now now you're having to build in proactive yeah time triggers to go and check the information where to check it and then how to deal with it on the back end in order to make it reliable
I think you saw it as well and I knew it would probably get some love but man did it ever like my DMs blew up and that was great because it's just questions as well write the people just asking questions about how it works and so on and like concerns it might have about integrating it but I had a developer reach out and we were going back and forth around something similar what you're talking about cuz my dream would be you know think of the text act that you have in an average company right so you probably
play CRM some source of truth right like where are you keeping information you have dashboards that are analyzing the performance of the business in different departments right how can we How Could You ping how could you use something internally within your core operating system which I'm calling slacker teams and you just paying these different tools about you know different information when no one real time that was the dream and he was when we were going back and forth he said oh that's you're getting up a level now but I only say that because I imagine that's probably what people are working on right because you've been relying on my my experience has been okay I can maybe get Confluence or jira to do push not
and that's fine but now I'm still at the mercy of having to navigate that channel I need to know information contextually with it at a certain moment in time right so then I go back to that old problem where I'm scanning a slack channel for a thing and then I have to open the tool and find it so you know having something that can then query all these different technology Stacks in one area for the key information to know I think would be just for me that would be like dynamite the trick is can I do can you build a robust enough one that it can build a good and reliable Persona right and at first you might just build a custom GPT that helps people build their Persona in fact I've that's probably a likely thing that you can do yeah I've seen enough
information to build it and just walk through a step-by-step process where it asks you questions you give it more data and I think so and then it does some analysis and then crafts it based on a document template that you have yeah probably pretty reliable one I know if you go online now like HubSpot has a version of that but you have to upload your own data which is fine but one of the challenges people are really struggle with his sort of like and I know this from my own work is analyzing in codifying and formatting data in the right ways like what is important so you're right I think that's sort of the next logical step I'd love to be able to do some like that we'll see I'm taking my baby steps I'm trying to get I'm trying to be that person doesn't get too far ahead of it I really want to learn
logos period so it's kind of like I don't know why you guys are all building custom GPS around this just because it can make images doesn't make this because you can prompt it and try to steer it it's still comes up a crappy logo so yeah stop absolutely so we'll see how I feel like I'm still just exploring like where I am with this technology now it's good man I think what you've what you've put together is a
you said I hadn't heard of yet that I think is highly highly useful now yeah if you have a good Persona be able to put it in and query against it is going to be a fantastic use of of custom gpt's cuz it's going Beyond it's going Beyond prompt engineering at this point because you're you're tapping into actual data which is where AI starts to get really really good yeah I spoke with a friend last week so sorry I'm in my journey if I may like to tell you to work I'm trying to learn now yes I had a chat last week with a really good friend of mine for years he's a technical marketer and last her he took upon himself to learn coding because he always wanted to learn which is such a
who won who wants to even try the basics I encourage you to do it like what a fantastic skill to try and understand even at like a 101 level and he says he is 100 custom gpt's in his repertoire that he's using a variety of ways and he's he knows now like different formatting options so he's like I've been he's been testing the the effect of the effectiveness rates of different formatting so like a CSV file versus Jason file and how much what are the who's donation rates and how like good quality of queries are getting he's like the marking that down to try and understand like what's coming back and now he's adding scripts into the back and because people might not be aware but
just in both options even in the custom gbt you can add scripting right to allow it to sort of navigate you know better queries so because it's the machine just needs direction right or else it's just going to do what the best job it can do with like really limited directions that's the route I want to go next is just okay I understand this part how do I feed it better information and better data and give it better instructions because then I might tell me if I can learn how to do that then I'm starting I'll be able to pull I'll be able to leverage the data that I'm putting in a much more impactful way I know you tell me maybe I'm thinking about a wrong but you know that's where that's right yeah with these custom GPS
and I've only had a few big a-ha's I'm like oh this is how you get it to be more reliable but I find in general people load it with too much information and expect it just did like intuitively know how to use the information or a human actually like the first GPT I made was a life coach and it was a freaking failure because I uploaded a bunch of information about myself you know like my strengths finder is my life goals my core values just as documents PDFs that I already had something like let's just load up all this information it's going to be so smart it's gonna know everything is a life coach you want to know and then the instructions I'm like hey your world class life coach you understand everything about me and then I left the instructions were very short right but I gave it a basic prompt of who it was and how and that
any of the documents you have to go tell it to read the documents so and then so I I folded that that was way too complex what I found out what custom gpt's is that the more specific you can get of what you want it to accomplish the better it is it's so what I've learned is like it's a very it's a genius intern that lacks oh I like that so if you can and I remember I've got two internships I remember I had 2023 interns working for me at one time and it different levels some reported directly to me some reported to staffers I I managed but I remember I had to
how to retrain them all and they started from knowing nothing they weren't even out of college they were College freshmen or sophomores so they knew nothing but I had to train them how to block out to train them how to design I had to train them how to do social so we ended up writing these very very insanely detailed Sops to help them like hey day one here's your training here's why we do what we do here's how here's the general training manual for this thing yeah two here's the task that you're going to be doing for the next two weeks here's how you do the task part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 if this then that and if you go down this Rabbit Hole you know like I outlined their job so much that they could
I'm bored because training 20 or 30 of them at a time was just a pain cuz they're always coming to you asking you questions I had to get rid of that but otherwise my September would always be shot with them just coming and asking me questions I just had to give them instructions on how they could figure it out themselves I found code building custom gpt's is the same thing you have to say hey this is who you are this is your goal when you're when prompted with this move to step one once your prompted with this you need a you need to ask for this once they give you once they give you this now ask for this once they give you that now do analysis between these two things and come up with that some options once they pick an option then do this and it's like if it's if you give
it can do remarkable and wonderful things that's why I know I can come up with a Persona because I'm like if you could just eat at the data and then tell it to think and just create a step by step program for it to do because you're probably using a step-by-step program to guide yourself you probably just haven't like written out every tiny little nuances of it yeah pretty much like you can execute it it can execute complex problems if or projects if you just break it down into baby steps yeah like that's the part I need to sort of get my head around cuz you sound like it sounds like you're where I want to be right because that's I feel like I'm living your experience a little bit right now where I can tell it's just got data but I'm I'm not giving it enough instructions yet
and what's coming is fine but I know I want to get a bit more precise with how I got it I like your analogy that's a good one because it is like onboarding someone who's never done this work before right like you have to sort of write you have to have the guy that process I find with my buyer I have my so I have my interview course like how to run customer interviews my guide which is very much written in a way that's like a step-by-step narrative instruction because that's how I build the guide right so it actually the queries for that I find are more impactful and the data the information gives me back is better than the ones with the personas right now because the personas are exactly what you just said I just uploaded sort of the framework that I think
but I need to create an environment where I'm asking it the right questions and giving it the right formats and then it gives me the answers I need so that's the next part of my journey with what you made it makes sense that it's a little it doesn't have a clear end goal that it's trying to accomplish because there's so many different use cases for it so leaving it more ambiguous and the light on the instructions is probably a good thing because again it becomes a good way to it's good to for questioning a it has a broad amount like hey can you help me write a blog post can you check the the frame of this hey help me come up with sales objections they're so all over the place but they're all going to be way better because they're based on that information
but I find some of the most effective ones are very narrow and then you should just have an army of them of narrowly defined ones and then you should have some broad ones too I think everybody should have a co-pilot that has a bunch of business documentations of of like your stuff that you can use because instead of you having to upload like oh here's my business strategy based on my business strategy know it's already knows the business strategy but you have to tell it to go access it hey Google I'm just going through my Google Drive like my God where is that PDF again
but what you made is probably one of the most useful use cases I've seen of custom GPT so far there's a lot of ones that are just garbage out there I think co-pilots is a broad is a broad term now for how to use it but this this Persona one is probably one of the most helpful things that Mark every marketer needs to have this built like that makes me feel so good cuz I feel like I'm just going to talk about this because I think this is actually going to be like one of the most useful use cases I've seen of this so far wow okay need to find out I've seen it yeah I thought the last company I worked for they had a beautiful well-researched Persona yeah
set in a folder well it's at on like an ocean type database looking all pretty and of course the writer is referenced it sometimes but we weren't constantly referencing it but we needed to it like so much time had been taken into doing the research for and all the calls and all that organizing of the calls and all the actually tabulating how often people said this and the words they used to build the person it was a beautiful Persona yeah it was accurate yeah if in in in in in what you've made if we would have set it up that way we would have been able to get like 10 times more out of it our marketing would have hit 10 times harder and way more places because it would have been so easy to query yeah and it's you know I didn't even read this stuff like I'm I have an unhealthy Obsession about how
fires make decisions how I frame it but that's always let been an asset for me my career but what I've realized is not everyone thinks that way instinctively especially in marketing where these days you know you're behind a keyboard and a screen for most of it but I grew up in the world of marketing where I was talking I lived in the center of how you know buyers made decisions and you're talking to them and talking to sales teams every day and you just having those interactions and I think we you lose something around the you know the the knowledge the company has internally around how you're trying to serve your customers with those daily interactions with teams so yeah like
next task is because most people if they have a buyer Persona then setting up what you've made isn't too big of a leap even if they're just dumping into a custom GPT and then taking the time to set up like or working with you to set it up more likely because yeah what you've done no one's going to do but it's well worth paying someone like you to set it up because it because it would make their marketing 10 times more effective if they have a good person buyer Persona well so I'm endorsing like everybody needs to pay you to set it up because it would be the leverage you would get on it would be well worth it well yeah absolutely so please higher higher Ryan but a lot of people don't even have good personas yeah so that becomes the next thing that I'm sure you can
you know the book buyer Persona try to like find the 80/20 of it and try to figure out how to create a custom GPT that could get people to a place where it's like it's not great but it's not bad what's a C+ version of the buyer Persona based on the data they already have without having to go get more that would make their marketing more effective not as good as it could be if they did the proper research what does it look like how do you do that with the check with the GPT that would be an interesting problem to work on you know what maybe I'll be my next one cuz cuz then it crafts well because if they could figure out that then they can hire you to like map to it all the time perfect I love it look at you give me ideas so good I'm just excited cuz I think I can help figure out a lot of these
or at least make it easier for a lot of these people would like we used to do show Bibles for for people at Sweet fish so I turned that into a GPT is it as good as having a podcast strategist come up with the show Bible for your show is it way better than having nothing 100% you know the chat should be to doesn't does it does the research for you it's like well what what are you talking about and who's the audience and then it goes and it just does some basic Bing research on like who's the audience what are their pain points what keeps them awake at night what are their things there anticipating and it just goes and reads articles about all these things so it's not as great as talking to your audience but you know what did you go and read all the articles about all those things probably not you know what I'm saying no so and it comes up with an analysis of like what are the
is there pain points of the audience based on the topic you want to talk about how do we collect these things and then how do we build a show Bible off of that and it walks through a step-by-step process and building the Bible to guide the show and it's it's way better than nothing but it's obviously not it's not doing search for articles and Analysis on those isn't as good as talking to people themselves but it's a step Yeah OK Google where can people go to learn more about what you're doing here and how to contact you if they want to see what it looks like to build this for their company yeah so I'm like you I live on LinkedIn so they can find me there and just type in Ryan Paul Gibson and I will be the first person that pops up
my website is contact Ayo and I have on my website the video that you saw on LinkedIn I just uploaded it to Vimeo and you can just sort of see it and I'm just happy to talk about this like I don't expect anyone to jump in feet first because when it like that I got a lot of DMS and there was a lot of questions around like security and how do I format the data and you know you can tell people want to sort of understand this but they're still hesitation and to understand that so happy just to talk to anybody and see if this is something that makes sense for them fantastic this has been an awesome conversation I'm looking forward to diving and I need to dive into the apis kind of like my next step that I haven't done yet that I'm like oh I need to get back there and start digging around there
I won't replace marketers but will Empower them with superpowers to do more with less so let's all go up together one skill at a time
