The Roadmap to AI-Driven Sales Teams w/Craig Nelson
Craig Nelson and I discuss a practical roadmap for AI-driven sales teams, from call preparation and follow-up to proving time savings and institutionalizing repeatable workflows.
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Sales teams do not need another vague promise about AI transforming everything. They need a practical way to move from curiosity to a repeatable process that saves time and improves the work around each customer conversation. That was the focus of my conversation with Craig Nelson, a sales enablement leader who was helping teams introduce AI while scaling with fewer resources.
Craig had seen organizations add products, locations, and people while still relying on manual habits. His starting point was simple: look at the work required to prepare for a sales call, run the call, and debrief afterward. Those steps contain opportunities for AI, but the technology only matters when it is attached to a clear process.
Begin with the work around the call
The fear that AI will take someone's job is usually the first issue to address. Craig put it directly: “AI is not going to take your job but somebody who knows AI just may.” The point is not to scare a team into adoption. It is to show people that learning a useful workflow can give them time back and make their expertise more valuable.
Sales calls are an obvious place to start. AI can help prepare a rep, capture what happened during the conversation, and create the follow-up afterward. A transcript can be checked against the topics that needed to be covered. At the end of a call, the system can surface what was understood, identify action items, and suggest what should be addressed in the next meeting.
That kind of workflow can also become a CustomGPT. If every call follows a similar structure, give the system instructions for what to find in the transcript and how to format the email or action list. The value comes from connecting several small tasks, rather than expecting one tool to solve sales enablement by itself.
Prove value with one useful workflow
Craig recommended finding a practical starting point instead of asking everyone to become an AI expert at once. A customer-facing role is a strong candidate because the time saved can affect revenue or retention. Pick a repeated task, document the current process, test the AI-assisted version, and measure the time or quality change.
The goal is to show a real gain quickly. Craig talked about saving 60 to 80 hours in the first month per person as a way to justify the software cost. That calculation also forces a team to look for overlapping tools and unnecessary subscriptions. Technology should simplify the work, not create a second layer of administration.
Once the workflow works, repeat it with another person and then another team. That is how an organization moves from isolated experiments to an institutional process. Training should include the reason for the workflow, the steps to follow, and the points where a human needs to review the output.
Discipline makes the difference
The long-term roadmap is not a collection of random AI experiments. It is a sequence of proven use cases that returns time to people, improves coaching, and creates better feedback loops. Only after a process has been tested should it be rolled out more broadly.
The same discipline applies to choosing what to automate. Start by identifying the greatest pain point, especially in work that makes or keeps money for the company. Then build the smallest useful workflow around that problem and learn from the results.
AI can support sales teams before, during, and after calls. The advantage comes from deciding where it belongs, measuring the result, and giving people a process they can use consistently.
In this episode of the AI Driven Marketer, host Dan Sanchez sits down with Craig Nelson, a seasoned expert in sales enablement. Craig shares his insights on how organizations can lay the groundwork for integrating AI into their sales processes, even if they're just beginning their AI journey. The discussion covers practical steps for transitioning from AI interest to implementation, the role of marketing in supporting AI-driven sales, and how to achieve significant productivity gains with AI. Tune in to learn how AI can revolutionize your sales enablement strategies, helping you do more with less and ultimately driving better results.
Episode Timestamps:
- 00:01 - Introduction: The journey of mastering AI in 2024
- 00:25 - Introducing Craig Nelson and his new AI-driven endeavor
- 01:30 - Craig’s realization of AI’s potential and its impact on sales
- 03:00 - The current state of AI adoption in organizations
- 03:57 - Addressing fears and concerns around AI adoption
- 05:13 - Early days of AI adoption and its accelerating interest
- 07:30 - Sales teams leveraging AI: before, during, and after sales calls
- 09:22 - Custom GPTs and streamlining sales processes
- 11:30 - The importance of time and process discipline in AI adoption
- 13:05 - First steps for AI success in sales: Practical use cases
- 18:59 - Scaling AI use cases and overcoming challenges
- 27:05 - AI in sales coaching and training: Enhancing feedback loops
- 34:12 - Scaling sales teams with AI and avoiding burnout
- 36:44 - Becoming an AI-first company: What it means and why it matters
- 41:00 - The current capabilities of AI and future potential
- 44:25 - Craig’s final thoughts and where to learn more about his work
welcome back to the AI driven marketer I'm Dan Sanchez my friends commie danz and on this show I am attempting to master AI in 2024 that's kind of been the journey and along the way I'm hoping to help you the other marketers out there follow along with me learn how to leverage AI to do more with less but yet do greater like have a greater sense of quality of what we're doing and not just producing more commodity content or more bad results but actually producing better results with AI today I'm excited because I'm having a friend on his name is Craig Nelson and he was a leader in the revenue enablement space for years and is now jumping into a new Endeavor using AI in order to help sales team do more with less and because Marketing in sales we always got to stay Al line and try to help each other figure out what we're doing Craig I'm so excited to have you on in order to dive into how you're introducing AI to teams in order to help teams become more effective with AI so welcome to the show Dan thanks for having me and and thanks for your Insight on this topic it's been great working with you on it so we were jumping into the preall and sometimes you end up in preall right before the podcast before I tap that record where we end up talking I'm like I should have pushed record already and I had one of those moments with you just now I feel like you and I can jam about AI for hours and I think actually between all our phone calls I think we have jammed for a few hours at least already yeah probably true but I'm excited but I want to get a little backstory from you like when did you start like when did it start peing for you in your mind that AI was the future and it was going to be a thing when when did that when was that moment for you you know I think it was about a year ago we we were beginning to scale an organization and having to put in place some some ways of doing business you know how do you prepare for a sales call execute and then debrief from a sales call but this time around we didn't have the same kind of capital in other words we had to do more with less you know to your point there and and so for us it was all right let's go see what's available uh go out to YouTube I found some of your stuff right away went through your training classes right away so call out and shout out to you on that because it really did kind of Kickstart me but but I really looked at enablement over the last couple of decades and said what if you could automate much of the things that we've been doing to scale sales and to do all the things that we were doing because we we we knew there was a better way of doing it specific to clients but just is there enough time in the day to to get it done right and then once we start leveraging AI we we really saw some differences I mean I'm seeing a huge productivity just for my own personal tasks and my own projects that I have going on all the time and I've automated a number of things what I find that a lot of teams that I get exposed to if I come in as a consultant they're kind of dabbling with it they got a few of them have it maybe even one of them has a paid account for chat gptt but they don't use it very often what are you seeing where people are at with AI and what are you usually recommending for a transition if they're if they're pretty convinced that AI is going to be a big thing how are you walking them from where they're at to where they should be going in a 30-day period yeah I think it's really early days and you and I were just chatting just before we started the uh the recording here on this point you know I sat down with about eight people at an organization that's growth mode so they're adding products they're adding new locations and and I thought it was an excellent opportunity to come in and say what if you could do all that but with fewer resources uh less effort time Etc and and that was what what caused the meeting got into the meeting and the the first sort of Round Table discussion was what have you done to with AI today and and I was a little bit set back in that you know personal use sure chat GPT free edition there was only one individual in the group that had the paid for edition of chat G pt4 and and that's fine because we then kind of launched into why is it that you haven't gone and progressed all that far and and Dan I think there's a lot of worry and concern you know everything from the classic is this going to take my job and my response was oh AI is not going to take your job but somebody who knows AI just may and and I think that resonated with the group because that then sponsored the all right so we know we have to do this but you know and then I went around and said what are your worries and then then in turn you know what was interesting was that the concerns around you know this firm is in finance so Regulatory Compliance and such but then the concern was but what if we don't and the big uh big organizations do so the concern wasn't as much you know when we're going to do it is how fast can we get started it's funny is that phrase It's that's not going to be AI who takes your job it's going to be someone who knows AI like I've heard that phrase like at least 100 or times over the last year if you're in the AI Community or you're listening to podcast like this one right now you've heard that phrase before it's nothing new to you but it's important to know that most people haven't you're part of a select few that's actually digging into this early and it is early days because even when I talk to my some of my techsavvy friends and these are people who like like to automate stuff and like digging into Tech tools it's it's fun for them yeah a lot of them still haven't dug in the deep end of AI yet they're still doing the very very Basics not very good prom s don't get much out of AI let alone the people who are lagging behind like it is still extremely early days for AI but I think it's accelerating do you feel like it's picking up a bit I feel like there's a lot of interest and people are just now beginning to dig into it a bit I I think the reason why I got a call back and and I'm going back into this organization again in person and and I think that's a big deal for them at the moment um because you can read the room is that once we address the elephant in the room the whole thing about AI is it going to take my job and then one the individuals kind of funny story said can I use that and I'm thinking to myself I didn't I didn't come up with that one and and so that that said they said why don't you come back but the reason why we want you to come back is that we want to have a core group of people that proved this up and then their question was what is it going to take is it going to take you know a couple of quarters and I said I don't think so and you and I were just talking about this you can use AI in your normal course of business and not tell people around you they'll see they'll see the results of your work they'll see how fast you're coming back with it how you iterate you know in a much quicker fashion so if you can show and demonstrate with a small team of people just the productivity gains you know one of the topics you just talked about is you know in that first month what if you had 60 to 80 hours of your time back in your day and and there's you know never been a time greater than now where we spent so much time internally with our teams and our staff and our tools internal but what if we got 60 to 80 hours back would that be enough with let's say three to five people using AI Technologies would that be enough to cause the company to say 2025 because it's not that far away uh let's get going right let's start this thing off and and once we got into that conversation the discussion next meeting is going to be where do we start you know is the audience for this marketing is it sales is it customer success of course my classic consult in kind of response was depends yep yep so what are you seeing sales team leveraging it for the most right now like what's the most effective places where sales team are going and applying AI yeah I think that if if you look at pretty consistent use of AI with sellers that are onto this and have been onto it for last year plus so some of the latest AI models are just so good that it's their deao standard for preparing for the call executing the call and then coming off of debriefing internally and then communicating with those clients so if I'm a rep that has three calls a day maybe not sometimes five calls a day you can imagine that my productivity win will be immediate it'll be the first week so I think a use case that helps me do the customer facing work faster and better and and suddenly these clients are saying all right it's the end of the call I've already got my action items I've already got in this case here you know the the pain points uh where you're trying to verify them with me you know imagine having that at the end of the call and in fact you can do that with AI today where at the end you'll have these things understood so you're not just scheduling your next meeting you've already got the topics for the next meeting it's already played back to them so I think before during and after the call is such an immediate no-brainer that that use case is the obvious one yep man there's so many ways to accelerate it too even as you're talking about it I'm like oh yeah if I were doing that if I was having a very similarly formatted phone call where I know within a phone call we're going to be covering A and C and I'm going to get different answers but I know I'm going to be covering these topics i' I'd be building a custom GPT that's looking for a andc and then with instructions to like okay with this information from this phone call transcript do this with this information do that and with this information do this next thing and I want you to format it as an email with the action items and blah blah blah what whatever I need into it like every time I every time I post in a transcript is as the I don't even need a prompt because I've built it into the GPT with the instructions and it would just immediately write the email for me it's a oneandone it's probably like a one use case GPT but think about how much time you have you don't even have to think about it you just it's almost like having an assistant that goes in and does all the the busy work for you you just have to copy and paste the transcript over so you you've got me smiling now Dan because you know as you and I go back and forth and talk about about gbts and custom gpts and the workflow gpts just understand that the audiences that I've been talking to as of late this is now you know language they're not using yet you know they're they're they're back to I'm not even sure what AI model I'm using Craig so I'm not sure why you're asking the AI model I know is I've got this AI assistant that some Distributors sold to me and I'm getting started with it and I'm using it for planning my travel I'm using it for identifying restaurants I mean the recipes you name it so it's been interesting because as you started to go into the details there that is you know certainly level two stuff and what I'm finding is that if they find Value in level one stuff they'll get to two what we don't want them to do is to say you know not for me and then hand it over to somebody technical in their organization because I have seen that where they said you know we got this new team you know younger generation team I'm thinking what does that mean well you know they're more apt to use this and I'm thinking well not sure how that fares for me but I I love it and you know it's easier to be a Critic than a Creator so to me it was a natural but I've had a lot of go ahead I mean I've had a I've had a lot I've had mixed ages on this podcast and I've often had uh I don't know like people that aren't Millennials actually crushing it when it comes to marketing Automation and AI use on this show so so far it like maybe it leans younger but I've noticed all like all ages from gen Z Millennial and up uh leveraging a in really cool ways at least I haven't noticed a difference I think it's almost been equal as far as AI utilization maybe in some companies that leans differently um I don't really consider it to be an age thing though because I've seen it so much across the board you know and I'll take another quote from an individual because I I don't think it is an age thing I think anybody who wants to do better and and knows they need to do better for their clients you know will'll gravitate towards it what I think though it is Dan is it's time and and the an individual this is from from a high-tech firm you know big Capital raise they're going to make that run you know to to that next level so they've got so much going on in this organization they're building and selling and marketing and deploying and doing it all over again and then they start over again the next day right so so these organizations are saying to me it's not a matter of you know generation it's a matter of time I just don't have the time to understand what are the high impact use cases where do I start what are the Technologies and and you and I are now seeing this whole new map of vendor Technologies I shared one yesterday with somebody I've worked with for years and his response was I don't know One logo on that page so you know what are the AI technologies that I should be considering and then in turn you know how do I start because I I don't want to put my company at risk so these are pretty basic you know objections but but there not any objections you can't overcome but I think it's time if the individual doesn't have the time the group doesn't have the time it's going to be a slow go so what are some of the steps you're having people take initially in order to see success like where do you usually see people having their first wins I even go through so I'm using today for the podcast today I put together a list of my Technologies I have eight that I'm using today Dan now do I use some more than others sure but I use this for my schedule now so doing scheduling at this point is done through AI um I am doing the messaging I take the standard sort of company Master messaging Doc and then I then I copy paste it and through you know gbt I do uh you taught me this super prompt didn't even know that term till to your video and and so I use that to do the messaging for it and I say that just just use this to get things booked on your schedule to get things in this case done better when you're doing them then I it a few weeks ago and I started using a prospect tool that does the Outreach not the calls because you can't do that you know at the moment Co calling you know using this kind of AI technology but you can do the Outreach personalized Outreach so I've been doing that and and this goes well beyond the you know do something every three days this is well smarter than that so I'm encouraging companies to start there get some more meetings booked be more efficient with those meetings uh it's it's a good starting point because if I can demonstrate in that first month that you can save somebody 60 you you said that might be a conservative number 60 hours and then at a at a bill rate of of whatever for a month yeah you know if you're leveraging it well that's easy to do that a month and then what I'm really shooting for is like can you do that in a week which you're like well but there's not 60 hours in a week yeah but you can do more manh hours like you can always add more people to a project you know if you have 10 people in a week you're getting to 400 hours can you do more in a week than a normal human can do that's that starts to become the game but but even then you know if you can introduce I'm using otter to to give a shout out to them for for my not taking the reason being is that you know I've used different no taking Technologies over the years but this one's giving me Insight during and after the call and then it's helping me to do the followup again integrated with uh and it's fun because these Technologies work together it's not just one you're using at any given time you're using multiple so so that's what I'm doing myself at this point and I'm encouraging people you know show that $3,500 cost savings per person as fast as you can because that's going to rationalize the $60 to $180 a month cost and and that's you know these Technologies are are more reasonable than you know the $60 to 80 per user per month so so they are more reasonable but but that said you know they can add up so you got to make sure that there's not too much overlay um kind of pivoting a little bit then I want to get your take on this so that's a very easy use case right preparing and executing sales calls what if you're a company that's in high growth mode you just took capital and you're adding people in offices why not use AI to do everything from uh doing your job description to the questions you ask to you know maybe the things you're going to expect in the first 90 days you know can't we use AI to basically scale the company it's kind of a leading question sorry yeah I mean of course you can big deal the question is which parts do you want to scale and I think you know in consult when you go put your consultant hat on you're like well but where do you start do you just can't apply to everywhere all at once you like well where's your biggest bottleneck right where's the biggest where's the thing slowing you down from growing the most well how can AI be leveraged to speed that up right that's where you have to start asking and AI can be used in so many different facets from even ideating and better understanding the problem so you think you understand the problem but I guarant to you like if you articulate the problem to AI it's one of my favorite things is to use the desktop app or the iPhone app for chat GPT and turn on the the microphone not for the back and forth conversation but just to record and I just start talking I'm like okay Chad gbt here's the thing and then I just I just like word vomit and just like tell them tell tell it everything like as if I was talking to a person like here's the problem okay here's all the context here's the backstory here's some of the constraints here's here's my possible solution is there anything I'm missing and then bam its ability to like come up with some other considerations you should have thought about even to solve the problem is really handy so it's great for ideation it's almost it's almost a coaching or a Consulting itself if you just frame the problem well or open it up using it to automate things I think is the next I actually came up with this model to talk about AI utilization way back earlier this year in like step you can use to measure like how much are you using AI because you can use it as a onetoone basis like as an assistant do this task do that task and then you can go up a level and start automating things every time this form gets filled out AI does X Y and Z instead of just normal marketing or sales automation AI put into it to be smarter to hyper personalize content maybe to email you can use it then to level up in that that utilization from one to one task personal assistant automation you can use it for coaching you can use it then another level up for forecasting I think that's hard I don't think a lot of people are doing that well yet and then I have like one level one last level up where people uh I think we will be using AI to come up with original value right now it's it's enhancing value maybe personalizing value but I don't think any anybody's Crea using AI to create original value within a company yet I think it's I think there's possibilities of it though but I think it's it's that possibility that's going to cause companies to say you know at the moment we're going to put a few hours into this each week you know I think you really have to look at uh having somebody be a lead within your organization right now so somebody that is doing the job interacting with clients whether it be pre or post sales doesn't matter but interacting with clients have them lead the charge be because the productivity gain no-brainer that's going to happen you're going to get that 60 to 80 hours it's just a matter of you know when you're going to roll this out and and how you're going to educ at your team on it and and make sure that you know there's some guidelines around it but what we're talking about now are the big deal items and and the conversation I had with a client that that is both launching new products to to increase Revenue as well as launching new offices um and and you start doing that discussion with with GPT like you're doing right now or whatever AI model doesn't matter uh the conversation can be repeated so let's say the conversation is about hiring this conversation is about going to Market with this new product there are lots of things you can use AI for right now to give you that first 80% you still need to have somebody feeding it the right stuff they have to understand the profile of who you're trying to hire the product mix the market in this case here that you're going to Target um in conjunction with AI uh but you can do you know big deal use cases I refer to them as onboarding staff launching new products launching new offices all of that work could be done and then let say you do it once you do it for one city for one product why wouldn't you repeat it the next time around and that's the other part is that now this is further Downstream if if you're doing this with your internal model and it's learning can you imagine if you you know no different than Banks they've grown over the years right they're just good at consolidating and and moving forward right but what if you were in whether it be Finance or high-tech or services and the way you launched an office or a product was repeatable and what F AI was learning along the way with you now this is all internal stuff this isn't stuff you you feed the model so to speak then in 12 months it becomes this very strategic uh initiative right one of which you you can actually look at uh analytics and behavior you know the tools that I'm using now I mentioned I'm using eight different tools now the amount of information that's going through those tools and the things that I'm doing dayto day imagine doing that with five people 50 people 500 people you know imagine how quickly this thing's going to learn so so the power of analytics we've talked about this for for many years is now going to be realized because it's going to be reviewing it and then making decisions off it pretty much in real time right but you still need somebody super smart to look at the results you you can't just take this stuff for btim and run with it so I have a thought on the the Resume Builder and and then another thought on training AI over time we'll start with the Resume Builder okay I love that idea because man building resumés is one of those things I just or not rums job post J it's like one of those things like you have to do as a leader because it's really critical like it's it's almost like a little mini ad for the thing you're you're trying to hire right you need to have it well defined and if you don't have it well defined then there's lack of clarity on what this role needs to do and you would M to track the wrong person with it so it's really critical but it's a pain to write nobody likes writing that but I'm like it's not hard for AI to write and especially if you go likey hey AI can you do some research on my my company here's here's the website just do a Bing search look it up and summarize what that company what you learn about that company below so it summarizes it you're like great here's an example job description of what this role looks like at a different company rewrite it knowing what you know about my company for this role with this one important thing to keep in keep in mind bam it will rewrite it it will be at least 95% of the way there right if you're using if you're just having it take your take my company take this other job description for us and rewrite it for my company what you based on what you know and gosh it's such a one a great onew punch with AI and then take that forward because I did actually with a client go through this routine you just mentioned you know it ingested using its terms basically their their last hiring profile then went against the marketing profile that was in the marketplace combin the two we we then turned around and started doing the promotion and did it in different formats one for LinkedIn one's for Instagram uh you know so obviously big cost savings there made it more concise we use the constraints of the different social media telling it that but we didn't stop there we actually then went to the next step which was what are the expectations of those people that are going to be interviewing for this job in other words you know one of the questions we should ask them it kicked out that we then went into let's say they get hired and they have questions around or they're about to get hired they have questions around how are you going to onboard me why wouldn't you do a 30 60 90day plan with AI because it'll actually come back and say based on the description and the role that you're talking about here I'll now give you the 360 90day plan and if you'd like we went this is the final thing we did and we stopped here we said what should their progress look like in 90 days and and on the one hand somebody might say well that's a bit much on the other hand wouldn't you like to know expectations of the company you just went to work for what they expect in the first 90 days and then wouldn't you want to know is the person getting hired what are they going to do to create my success right what are they going to do to onboard me so so when I stopped at that point and looked at what work had been done in the past it actually had been done some of this work it was never formalized so when a new hire new city came around you start from scratch right or some of this work isn't done but I think that's the power because once you do what we just talked about there we hiring once then you just repeat right for the next one all right it's a different role this isn't sales it's now marketing yep it's something that scales really quick once you do it a few times and and tweak it because it'll make mistakes and you're like okay well keep in I don't know I love running it because you can be like okay well it's it I asked it X and it gave me y but I I really wanted Z so then you're like okay let's let's go back and test the prompt again and then run it again okay closer okay make a tweak run it again and now it's really close you're like okay that's good we're just going to start using that I don't think people realize that with prompting sometimes like you actually have to test like test it and if it doesn't give you back the result you're like okay well try it again it's it's kind of like anything you just got to try a few times and usually you can get it down to where it's pretty good and then you can use it over and over and over and over again if you're hiring lots of sales reps and lots of different roles well you write it once once and then just change the inputs a little bit for each role and it can it can really you can really run with it but most people don't take the time to actually you know go past version one I'm like yeah version one's always 50 50 60% of what you wanted it takes a couple more iterations to get to 90 I think what's exciting is that you know to get to 80 to 90 yeah if if you're in HR you can do this starting tomorrow yeah you could really you know do a YouTube video I don't want to you know suggest that it's incredibly easy Beyond you still have to do the YouTube video for 60 minutes you know learn how to do what we just mentioned but but the the first question I'm finding is you know does it do that how can I do an onboarding plan so so you really have to just tell the non-technical person you know being HR sales or wherever just start right start with your job description start with where you want to post it start with what you think the onboarding could look like from the AI model then stop record what you just did and then repeat you you don't need a developer to do what we just said you can automate that and then you and I both know with the custom GPT you can do that in the next 15 minutes and and that's you know being conservative you could probably do it less if you if you know how to do it and then put the person's logo on it from their company and it's theirs but then at that point again once you start repeating it the analytics will mean something later if you do everything random the analytics don't mean anything now for sales you've talked about how you're using Ai and helping clients with AI coaching and training how is that conversation going and what how are you leveraging AI to enhance those things well there's some some funny stories around people interviewing with AI sitting in the you know on the right side of their screen so they're being coached now that that's probably not right but but if you look at you know a right example could be if if I'm in sales and I'm selling into insurance for the very first time and I want to know you know what agents and Brokers do for a living so let's say I'm really green in this vertical you know then I want to know in this case what challenges they're up against in other words compliancy and regulations then I want to know they keep mentioned CMS it's not content management system but actually all these regulations around you know insurance and how you sell and Market it so I want to know all that uh you can use an AI if if done right to do that in real time right you're you're being coached before and then coming out of the call you know if you record the call you're going to be coached during and after possibly by the model you want to say the model Thea model of your choice so so I think that's where the exciting part was we we we for many years to Dave myself quite a few years ago with enablement sales enablement we were building playbooks to do this D yeah well somebody had to create the Playbook yeah so as the company would say you know who's going to pay that price is that marketing or sales or training and I said yes and and then we were Off to the Races right it depended on who had some Cycles so now you can do this stuff more in in real time be because you know I think we all know in sales you're super motivated when you're in front of a real opportunity the first question is is it real but then secondly you know if I can become pretty well versed in a vertical that maybe I didn't sell into yesterday you know I would use this for coaching and then coming out of that I I think management you know there's been Technologies for a long time like gong and now some others that that are doing you know real-time coaching for somebody who's selling in the end you want people not to HW product you want them to sell Solutions right it's fair to say but Building A playbook from scratch and and it's funny because I've got plenty of Playbook examples where I look at it and I'm like well good you did the Playbook bad that it's 30 pages you know so who's going to read 30 pages then get on the phone with a client so so hopefully that helps Dan with that example because you know my my discussion around selling into insurance is different than the financial sector which is different than the high-tech sector the wild west because I like to call it you know it's it's just very different and you have to know the nuances I mean man I got light bulbs going off in my head Craig I got I'm like wait a second it never occurred to me I'm like a big part of sales training is having having a professional seller listen to your calls and give you feedback this is really the Breakfast of Champions when it comes to seller it's it's feedback based on actual phone calls the problem is listening to phone calls is very timec consuming which is why not nearly enough sellers get coaching right because it's timec consuming to coach it's timeconsuming to either do a a ride a ride along like it's sit sitting and listening to the phone call live or listening to it at 2x speed later on and taking notes on it but AI can do it so fast I'm like I can imagine if you have like 20 reps and one person doing all the coaching and listening to phone calls and following up with reps think about how much more effectively they can give feedback if they're literally just taking the transcript from certain calls and pumping it into a custom GPT that's already pre has instructions that says hey here's the mod here's the selling model we use here's the grading criteria for following the model and here's some of the company objectives we'd like sales reps to be hitting on graded accordingly with feedback bam there it is rep gets instant feedback after that phone call then it can be sent to the person who's actually can look at it all and see the trends between phone calls and actually give good weekly advice on top of the the per phone call Advice AI gives so you can actually layer on human coach coing and feedback with AI coaching and feedback to really go hand inand and give more rapid feedback so that people can actually improve at a much higher Pace that's exciting stuff because like I remember in grade school like you you You' take the lesson you go home do homework you turn it in the next day it gets graded a couple days later you get it back think about the feedback loop it's three days long on a math math assignment when I did college and Ma I did when I finally went back to school and did my degree I did a college algebra via digital textbook so the feedback was instant and then it could break down my problem of where I went wrong step by step and I like I I was I was afraid of going back for college algebra but that in that course while it was hard for me I finished it in six weeks it went through really fast because of Rapid feedback I didn't have to wait to get hear back what I'd done wrong or what step IID missed the the textbook would tell me we could do the same thing for sales reps and really scale a whole organization and more people aligned to the selling objectives so much faster with just feedback and I'm not even talking about like the coaching on the front end you could probably do that too like you just said well what's what's interesting about this feedback you know we we encouraged a while back when loss reporting right as a way of not just getting better at selling but understanding the market uh understanding what we were building understanding what people were actually using so we were using this but it was all manual so so let's say you've automated that so you don't have to do the Ride Along I'm not saying you wouldn't want to do the ride along with your new team but when you go from five to 50 reps and have had a chance to do that some great opportunity to do that and then let's say that you're go from 50 to 500 reps and at the same time you're being told all right the alternate channel has to start selling too and you've got hundreds of Partners of which maybe 10% are producing but you still have to service all of them so now you're in a case where you're sitting on forecast review calls for a living and you're wondering when am I gonna stock with a client about what it is they're gonna buy or not buy when am I gonna you know hear objections or maybe competitive seating in these accounts where they're setting us up when am I going to get to the good stuff so so now you've got that chance and and whether you're recording a call like we're doing right now or you do it in person you can always have your iPhone sitting there in front of you and just tell them you know I'll do a better job with you coming out of this call if I record this so imagine having this and and then doing you know five ride alongs that quarter but now doing five rideal alongs that day so so imagine the potential and and when companies raise capital I use that example and they get excited about that IPO and and you know it's always a question of you know how you going to scale from 50 to 500 when you're already working a lot of hours a week you really don't even know you're GNA throw bodies at it you're thinking well now I got to go higher and train though so so think about scaling and think about not throwing bodies at the problem anymore but throwing a better way of doing it in other words the process discipline one one of the things I think is Meaningful to kind of round out the conversation here is what if you can go from Random Acts it's an old term you know of enabling sales and marketing to repeated prove it out you know save 60 80 hours that first month per person then go from there institutionalize it where now the company's like all right when's that come to my group we're already kind of sort of using it but we know there's a better way not just better Tech technology but better process so then you now institutionalized it if at that point you later on the coaching that you and I just talked about yeah now now what you're saying is all right so the productivity gains in but now we got to get better at launching products new products that we built products that we acquired that's always fun you acquire a company everybody's excited then they realize the work and and so how are you going to do m&a growth so those are the use cases that I think if you could apply this too you you have the foundation in place you have repeatable processes your coaching then you can really get to that point to where you're optimizing not not based on just people right sales marketing management executive management but the system the system's going to come back and it's starting to do that with some of the stuff I've been working with where it says it's memorizing the work I'm doing and it'll come back and say well over here you mention this now you're mentioning that so it will learn with with you but you got to repeat processes otherwise it's all just you know random a so it's it's a bit of a maturity model Dan I don't have the graphic yet I've got it in my mind but I don't have it on paper but I want to show this in a maturity model and then run through this with clients where they say all right we want to climb that starting with three to five people we want to get to 500 but we're not going to do that until we a sense for how best to to leverage what we know the competition's going to leverage and I and I slid in the competition there because that's what I'm hearing right we're not sure where to get started but we're concerned that the competition they are it's a step-by-step process you don't you don't it is you don't uh run before you walk right one of the last things I want to talk to you about is this idea of being an AI first company what does that mean to you so another thing that I've heard on a podcast where the individual said you know we we used to be a product Le company all about the product you know and we know now it's not just about you know building a better product uh we have to have a better way of doing business and and if we can let leverage AI to do that you know it's not just going to be the well healed there's a lot of conversation around Ai and who's going to be able to leverage it is it just going to be the billion dooll firms that have all the resources to make it right I think it's going to be the smbs I think the small medium-sized companies absolutely are GNA once they get on this they're they're going to take off and once they start repeating things using this step-by-step approach right they're going to have this Competitive Edge and and I think at that point they're going to begin to scale with just a little bit less pain initially and a lot less pain later yeah I think you're right I think it will be the smbs um but it'll be a select few smbs I think a very few because I feel like so many small businesses never really figure out how to they never really catch the vision what excellent cons consistency looks like excellent you know like excellent consistency like what Michael Gerber talked about emth right coming up with a world-class business to be able to franchise it even if you don't want to franchise right right how do you come up with a repeatable model on all the fronts of your business from marketing to selling to fulfillment to finance and everything in between right how do you create a world class system the small business that do figure that out become big businesses but I think now they will not only come up with systems for it they'll be Aid driven systems that require way less Capital way and are way more consistent you than could ever have been before with human human labor because AI doesn't sleep and can execute pretty regularly the same way every time so that's just an exciting proposition that we're gonna have all these small businesses that are doing I don't know I feel like we'll have the first billion dollar solopreneur out there someday it'll be interesting to see because you know historically that's the whole name of the game is how far can the founders go with it and you know they're marketing selling and building the founding team of these companies with these great ideas but all a sudden they would look to scale and they get to five people other words they they hire their their five friends that they know can sell it but it's from five to 50 where if you're an AI Le coming back to that term AI first company I'll use a quote and and I'm going to read this one verbatim so this individual said we know ai's a future and our executive team are saying get to it however and this this person said however there's a big however because we have questions we have concerns we don't know the market you know by the way we're already working you know weeks that aren't 40 hours Beyond 40 hours so how are they gonna I think it's if the company is thinking AI first they're thinking before we throw again people in bodies at a problem let's look at how can we make our life easier and then once we do that how can we repeat it you're still going to bring people in right but when you bring them in probably going to be fairly AI Savvy think fast forward now two years people are going to be pretty AI Savvy you'll say AI super prompting they'll say of course there'll probably be tools to do it for us at that point Dan oh yeah but but at least you'll be in a competitive position right now to do it better but the AI first came from a podcast where I'm thinking about myself if I'm always thinking about how I could do this not with people and let's face it we burned some people out over the years where you're scaling these companies revenue is going up but people are burning out how can we use AI to prevent that from happening you know and profitable Revenue versus Revenue there there's a lot of big sort of business questions that I think can be asked but but only if the company thinks about this it's not just you know somebody in the tech group or somebody in the Marketing Group thinking about it I know the future AI is exciting but even if we don't get to the future of AI where AI can actually break down problems into all its components and actually become an agent a lot of people talk about AI agents and I think it's really silly because AI is not capable of being an agent at all yet it doesn't have the critical thinking skills to break a project down into tasks which is fine with me because I can break it down at a task and then it's actually really good at delivering the task if you break it down for it right now it's not it can't do it it's why agents are a silly conversation because you can rig it to do it but it's it doesn't do it naturally even if that never comes because they're working on that that a open AI is gonna like hopefully the next version can actually think through complex projects but even if they don't the AI we have will still get us to where like all the things we're talking about and helping companies upscale and go farther than they've ever been able to go before we could do with the current Tech they could stop developing Ai and chat GPT 40 or gemini or whatever your favorite model is can deliver on these promises already that's the exciting part is we haven't even really begun to really utilize what's currently there for selling for marketing HR for any type of any part of business it can do way more than we think and we're still just in the jungle exploring figuring out what's what it's capable of and new use cases are popping up a little bit here a little B there that will become the best practices uh next year or the years to come but we know a is probably going to get better so pretty soon you're right you won't need a super prompt it will prompt you it'll prompt you be like what's the problem and then it'll it'll pull the information it needs out of it and then it'll take off and go do it but but I think it's it's important to to sort of land on a in this conversation a practical point and that is it's still the discipline behind all of this and that's why that that quote about you know are you g to lose your job to Ai No but you're going to probably potentially I should say look to lose it to somebody who knows AI and has discipline and and so you can go out to YouTube right now and find plenty of things right some of the stuff you've done and and get going but I think ultimately if this if this is a company thing and it's a you know AI company first thing I think what'll happen is they'll identify the greatest pain point to your point earlier y it's most likely going to be a customer facing role in other words a role that makes money for us or keeps money for us and they're going to start giving them time back in their day and then ultimately they're going to start building up that maturity model and and I think the maturity model people don't tend to like that term but I like the term because it builds off each other but you got to put the stake in the ground and get started now you know our our biggest offering right now is just getting started with AI uh growth IQ is my company and and what's been interesting about these conversations is they they start at the same point here are my concerns here are my questions you know what do you think and and it's early days you mentioned Pioneer and our and our prep call it's it's early days um but I think with some pretty well healed companies it's not early days I think they're well into it and and they're going to be the first to kind of cut their teeth but they also have you know big Titanic size ships I shouldn't use Titanic as the boat name but they have these big ships that they've got to turn around I think the the small midsize companies have a real shot here at a differentiator that they hadn't had in the past I I do they have less to lose right and some some big companies have leveraged Ai and they're getting sued so it just the big companies have more lose so they got to be more cautious the small companies do not have to be as cautious and can leverage the new things before they're tried and true and that's that's the exciting part about being small versus big so Craig this has been a fantastic conversation where can people go to learn more about what you're doing I know you're you're about to launch or have launched recently a podcast of your own on AI is that right yeah we're gonna we're gonna get going on the podcast circuit you're my my first to sort of delve into this topic we've been doing the topic for about 20 years enablement of sales but but now it's the AI driven enablement of sales uh but growth iq. on the site uh some of the quotes that I mentioned from clients some of the questions that clients have uh and then we're going to have coming off of that you know further discussions on how companies are maturing you know so as they go to you know being foundational with AI to doing institutionalized with AI we're going to start sharing those stories down I hope that it'll become a community in which no different than the revenue enablement society and some of these other communities out there where we all kind of brainstorm together small companies big Enterprise companies because this Market's going accelerate at a faster and faster pace so it's an exciting time to sort of sort of be in and around this and then that's where growth iq. that website's gonna gonna hopefully make its Mark so if you're on the sales side or working on sales enablement or just need to better understand how to better collaborate with sales especially in this this AI driven world go check out Craig and what he's doing over with his new podcast there thank you for listening if this has been fascinating to you and I'd love to hear from you please leave a review on any on any of the podcast apps where you're listening to this at and give it the star rating that you think it's worth if you're listening on YouTube then give it a thumbs up leave a comment say Hey or find me on LinkedIn at linkedin.com ndigital marketing Dan I love it when I people reach out and say they liked an episode and tell me a little bit about what they liked or what they'd like to hear about so engage with me find me out there I wish there were ways to do that better on a podcast but limited to reviews for now so thank you for listening until next time
