AI Marketing: Trends, Tools, and Transformations w/Mark Fidelman
Mark Fidelman and Dan Sanchez discuss the gap between AI hype and adoption, practical marketing workflows, and why human judgment and trust matter as synthetic media improves.
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Start with the gap between hype and use
Mark Fidelman had been covering AI marketing for years, but the audience was still earlier than the conversation suggested. At his presentations, only about a third of marketers raised their hands when asked whether they were using AI. That gap is the opportunity: the tools are advancing faster than many teams are building practical habits.
The discussion is useful because it treats AI marketing as a working discipline rather than a futuristic label. Early systems such as Salesforce Einstein and IBM Watson created interest, but the value depended on whether a marketer could connect the capability to a real customer, campaign, or operational problem.
Build a stack around the work
A useful AI stack starts with the tasks that consume time. Research, content production, personalization, analysis, and automation can all benefit, but they need different tools and different levels of oversight. The first step is to identify the bottleneck, then test whether AI improves the result without adding more review work than it removes.
This is also where the human role becomes clearer. AI can generate a draft or identify a pattern, but a marketer has to decide what is strategically relevant and what could mislead an audience. The best teams combine a model’s speed with the experience of people who understand the customer and the consequences of being wrong.
Watch the trust problem
The conversation also carried a warning about synthetic media. A convincing AI voice helped scammers try to persuade a family that a daughter was in jail and needed money. The story is a reminder that realism is not proof. Marketers need clear verification practices as generated audio, images, and video become easier to produce.
That same trust issue affects ordinary marketing. A polished claim can be generated quickly, but people still need a reason to believe it. Show the evidence, explain the process, and make it easy to identify the person or organization behind the message.
Mark’s own show and LinkedIn presence point to a practical distribution lesson. Choose channels where the audience already learns, then publish consistently enough to become recognizable. AI can increase the output, but a durable reputation still comes from useful ideas, honest claims, and a human voice.
In this episode of AI-Driven Marketer, Dan Sanchez talks to Mark Fidelman, host of the AI Marketing podcast, about his three-year journey into AI in marketing, and the transformative potential of AI tools like ChatGPT and Claude Opus for marketers. They delve into the groundbreaking advancements of AI technologies such as Synthesia by OpenAI, and explore how AI is rapidly changing content creation, customer service, and personalized marketing. Mark also shares practical insights on overcoming resistance to AI adoption within organizations and leveraging existing data for dynamic, personalized user experiences.
Timestamps:
03:11 Doubtful about video editing with AI prompts.
09:16 Podcast used to learn about blockchain and AI.
09:46 Using AI to build wealth, differentiate platform.
15:13 Leveraging AI for marketing and outreach strategies.
16:54 Custom email outreach for influencers yields 80% response.
21:03 Privacy concerns overlooked, data obtained non-consensually.
25:05 CTOs need to be marketer friendly, AI.
27:03 Marketing departments must lead in implementing AI.
30:23 Carefully consider use case before proceeding.
35:10 Future trends: Solopreneur unicorns vs. automated tasks.
38:07 Using AI for CMO activities with Sora.
39:02 Architecting processes for AI is key.
42:25 Primary focus shifted from Twitter to LinkedIn.
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welcome back to the AI driven marketing
podcast I am Dan Sanchez my friend's
Calli danz and I'm here with Mark
fidelman who is the host of the AI
marketing podcast so I'm onest I'm on a
kick of interviewing other AI marketers
who were doing podcasts and Mark is
actually the top one like I know you
named that strategically when you picked
that name because when you Google when
you do a search on Apple for AI podcasts
AI marketing pod podcast specifically
yours is up front Mark welcome to the
show thank you uh and I I should have
named it driven it sounds like you're
more driven than I am in AI which you
probably are the the facts are I started
AI marketing three years ago and then I
rotate seasons and only recently have I
come back to AI marketing because I'm
like you know what I've done
presentations on a AI marketing all over
the country and it people love it and
they don't these marketers aren't very
sophisticated with it I'm like really I
do a show of hands at the beginning of
these events and only about a third of
them raiseed their hand of of people
that are using AI in their marketing I'm
like what what am I missing here if
you're not so you started the show with
AI marketing then I did was three four
uh
2020 I think okay so like that was
really early that would have been early
for AI marketing period because the AI
was around but like the only people
really tapping into you know what I I
will say Salesforce had a big AI push
Maybe around 2019 2018 with Einstein and
they made a big deal out of it but I
honestly looked into it and I'm like me
like Einstein was so so and actually
helping um so you were early what did
you see back then that you were like hey
this is something to look into now more
on the IBM Watson side and some of the
other uh Salesforce I think was an
episode we did yeah I was just covering
you know what marketers need to know
about AI sometimes I got into healthc
care how do you how do you Market and AI
Healthcare so it didn't necessarily mean
AI for marketers it meant hey how do you
Market AI within these other companies
now of course everything is fine-tuned
for me anyway Dan to to be okay here's
how you use AI to become successful with
your marketing efforts which if you're
not using uh you're going to fall way
behind but the good news is that it's
easy to play catchup there's there's a
lot of tools but you could just start
tomorrow and become pretty proficient
pretty fast so what do you think the
current state of AI marketing is then
you've seen some of the early stuff in
the beginning there's clearly lots of
talk about where it's going what do you
feel like it's at right
now uh well very robust right now but
we're at the very very beginning so I I
look at this as somewhat of a a marathon
running fast forward but um we're still
at the you know 100 foot line because
what's coming is
mind-blowing and uh is going to change
everything and just Sora alone you know
me people would be involved in putting
together that a video I don't know if
you saw balloon head I did yeah I mean
they're doing that with I don't believe
this but they they said they did it with
one prompt I think it was probably
multiple prompts and some editing in
there but so what you know try filming
that thing uh on your own without Ai and
it's very realistic if you haven't seen
it so I mean if that's what we're
looking forward to in less than six
months danam why do you need video
editing teams why do you need uh video
producers why do you need video anything
you just type in a prompt it's
unbelievable it's like we're going to
live in The Matrix here pretty soon
we're not gonna know what's real It Blow
Me Away when they launched it have you
seen I was
like go ahead have you seen synthesis or
Synthesia by uh that's using chat GPT 40
or whatever they're calling it
uh I mean I've seen chat P chat TBT 4
but I haven't seen the thing you just
mentioned so literally you talk you can
set up your own avatar or somebody
else's and using chat gp40 which has
voice capabilities right pretty damn
good and you are talking to an avatar
that looks real back at you answering
questions you can ask it what it sees on
your screen it knows freaking scary man
but you could use that for marketing
right you could use it as a a customer
service bot not even a bot looks like a
human um you could trick PE not that
you'd want to but you could trick people
into thinking that you're somewhere else
I I don't know man the sky's a limit I'm
just getting my head wrapped around all
this stuff that's coming out pretty
quickly and it's a Brave New World oh I
see what you're saying you're not
talking about a different company you're
talking about the stuff they just
released this this last Monday right be
able to for see yeah but so they're
they're coordinating with uh CH open AI
because this came out way too fast like
they they launched it like the next day
and there's a pretty cool video on it on
Instagram that I'll forward to you you
can put in the show notes here where
they're demonstrating this looks like a
female attractive female bot and you
cannot tell she's not human at least on
Instagram having a casual conversation
with a guy who is real on the other end
describing his background and where he
she thinks he is it's it's like okay
where are we okay I haven't seen this
this is a totally different I will send
this to you and I'm thinking to myself
can you imagine when marketers get a
hold of this tool which is now and what
you're able to do with it uh I don't
know how if you have to train it I don't
I don't know uh but I I'm going to dive
into that pretty heavily pretty soon I
mean really like it doesn't it can't it
can't need more training than what you'd
be putting into a chat bot right now I
mean because it's really like underneath
the words that it's speaking won't be
different from a chatbot but how how it
goes about the conversations a little
bit different so the text different but
underneath it won't go like it it it'll
it could theoretically perform as well
as the best chatbot when it comes to
what information it gives and how it
navigates a conversation what if I could
do this like just let's let's experiment
you could always cut this
out well can you take a guess of what I
might be doing based on what I'm showing
you here
from what I can see it looks like you're
in some kind of recording or production
setup with those lights Tri I did see
this
videoar up to I mean uh
scary yeah the the thing that stood out
to me a lot about that video Yeah is how
smooth the conversation was from the AI
she sounded intelligent she sounded like
interesting and personable way more than
he did now he's a Dev so like his social
skills aren't at the same level as like
somebody who's out there a lot you know
like he sounds more Awkward than she
does and she's the A and I'm like whoa
that's a new
Milestone uh I'm like what is gonna
happen next now I I haven't you can't
zoom in on this to see if you can always
tell in the mouth whether it's AI or not
at least you used to be able to I I
can't tell I haven't looked at it that
closely but uh Dan I mean even if you
could tell slightly what's gen two of
this going to look like it's going to be
indistinguishable you might you might
have people falling in love with these
AI Bots it's going to get weird fast so
I mean for me I started this whole
podcast because the writing was on the
wall to me I'm like okay this is g to
take over everything and it's clearly
there's going to be winners and there's
going to be losers so I'm starting this
podcast to learn as much as I can
because there's no books on this topic
usually I love books I got a whole stack
of books behind me I'd I'd go and find
all all the books written on the topic
and read them all there aren't any so
I'm like what's left I start a podcast
and go interview people who know what
they're talking about like yourself I uh
I did exactly same thing and don't ever
read a book on AI you just have the AI
write the book that you need to know now
uh and then just read like Cliff Notes
every day I think the best way and I do
have a podcast for AI as you mentioned
but I don't have a newsletter uh and I
do have a newsletter for blockchain
which really forces you to learn this
industry uh so if anyone's out there
listening if if you want to really learn
AI uh create a newsletter and you'll get
a ton of subscribers especially if you
have a unique angle like I like to come
out and talk about new stuff like this
and how it benefits a certain Community
like AI marketing so tell me a little
bit about that I noticed your podcast
went from AI marketing to blockchain
heavy and is now kind of back to AI
marketing you're trying you're learning
different things as things are coming
out and I think we all had a blockchain
kick at least I did a couple years ago
Gary ve got me on it and I went and
bought the eth and went through the
thing I never bought his stuff but
because eth went up and I was like I'm
selling out I went and made some profit
on it and got out but um how where do
you see all this coming together how did
you how did you get into blockchain and
now coming back to Ai and then how do
you see these things coming together in
the future uh well you've already stolen
my thunder here but he I look at my
podcast as going back to school I don't
want to go back to University uh I had a
good time but my time is over with with
uh let's say uh traditional schooling
so that is my school and I use it like
you do to learn from other people and
get their perspectives and and I learn a
lot so blockchain I've got a blockchain
company uh now we're going to combine AI
in it AI to do property due diligence
because we have a tokenized platform AI
uh to help you build wealth you know so
it'll tell you which properties on the
platform will help you achieve your
goals uh and so we're we're bringing AI
into the platform so I needed to learn
it myself so I move back from off of
blockchain which is moving just as fast
as AI by the way um in terms of the
Innovation that's coming out of it uh
over the AI so because I know we're
going to introduce AI into the platform
I want to become more knowledgeable
about it and maybe learn something
that's really going to make different
differentiate my platform from everybody
else's yeah well tell me a little bit
more about your product like how are
they how is it using Ai and then
blockchain together in order to drive a
better outcome like you kind of teased
it but like dive a little bit deeper
into like the the workflow okay well
it's not yet but we're I I've got a
grant coming for it so I have to get
really knowledgeable on it really fast
so as you know blockchain is very
transparent you could see every
transaction you could see everything
that's going on on it you could see
government interaction eventually
everything will be on the blockchain and
I'm speaking in terms of real estate you
don't need Title Insurance if you have a
blockchain that records every single
thing that's happened to property and
this token you don't need it uh the AI
can go across it and it can say here's
your car your house fax or your
commercial property fax report like that
right you know Carfax well this could
you know the AI could do that do do the
due diligence also send you a report on
how the real estate Market's doing in
Zimbabwe you know what the risks are
what the challenges are oh it analyzed
the financials because it all the rents
have been recorded on the blockchain
that's what's happening it's going to
happen fast like in the next five years
okay so that's one aspect of it the
other aspect of it is well you know our
financial advisor is
usually steering you a certain way
depending on what kind of commission
they're getting from certain people or
institutions I want an AI that I wanted
in my 20s which ISS hey Mark you invest
in this this this and this in 10 years
you'll have a passive monthly income of
$20,000
that's pretty powerful and the AI is
making you stick with it it's taking the
money out of your bank account or
whatever wallet you have set up it's
doing it automatically and it's making
adjustments automatically uh so that it
gets you to the goal of $20,000 a month
passive income that's pretty freaking
cool so those are the two things that
we're developing with this Grant and I'm
excited about it that is exciting I kind
of feel like Ai and blockchain or kind
of like a yin and yang thing going on
right very different Technologies yet
when you put them together they become a
Powerhouse because they honestly they
kind of create Pro Problems by
themselves AI it's like oh the mass
duplication of content and content
everywhere and you don't even know
what's what anymore it's like well
that's where blockchain comes in you can
verify authenticity in a way that AI
can't good point I I love the way you
you stated
that so to you and me it's clear that AI
is like is a big is is a big thing now
has been developing for a while it's
going to take over marketing certainly a
whole company
uh what do you think some of the
challenges are um when integrating AI
the businesses are running into with
integrating AI into their companies
right now um I know you're a fractional
AI you do a lot of fractional AI work
with companies I'd love to hear your
thoughts on that the number one problem
is people uh you know they don't want to
lose their jobs everyone every one of
these objections is understandable um
there's a lot of resistance uh
especially because as AI infiltrates
these companies and incorp operations
people are seen as less effective
imagine a copywriter AI can blow you out
of the water not everyone I still think
the best of the best humans are still
way better than AI way better because
they they know how to create those
emotional connections but most copy
riters you know the average ones the
even good ones are going to get replaced
by AI it's just a fact because I could
program the AI just to study the Masters
and it does a pretty good representation
of it and then when you get into images
it is so incredibly uh interesting
what's happening here so people are
threatened that's the number one
roadblock I see secondly
originality um although I've seen some
really original things with images and
probably video that's coming up I don't
see a lot of originality in the writing
yet like I don't feel like there's AI
that can duplicate a uh
Shakespeare and make it original like
they because they're not they don't have
a body they haven't lived they're just
taking the experiences of everything
that's been given to it and trying to
conjure something up but there's not a
real connection to real life yet with
this AI I think it's going to come but
uh so I again I still think the best of
the best are going to be in business for
a long time um and everyone else you
better learn how to be the architect of
AI and that'll that's your job security
right there
how are you walking companies through
their strategic planning when it comes
to AI are you just integrating are you
they helping them craft or figure out
where AI like fits into their strategic
plan or do you like start with AI in the
beginning how does it fit into that
process I always start the same way
which is one of your goals and um if you
want to run campaigns or if you want me
to train people on how to use AI in I
don't do training but um we will come
and show you how we we will impl minute
for you and if you want to sit and
observe and take over in the future
we'll certainly work with you on that uh
but what are the goals I don't really
bring AI to the Forefront I just tell
them hey this is why I could charge you
a lot less and become way more effective
because we are leveraging AI Tools in
order to bring this to Market this idea
this marketing plan uh all of the the
PPC that we do um PR to some extent with
Outreach using
but um yeah right now I mean there are a
few companies that have been hitting us
up but right now I don't
see you know PR agents being replaced
because somebody's calling or you know
these uh journalists and having a
conversation it's not as good as
Synthesia maybe you know I maybe that's
the first thing I should try get a
Synthesia agent to start calling all
these journalists and explaining the
story and seeing if they'll uh they'll
do it have a conversation with them
about it that's interesting interesting
uh that we're just coming up with this
on the fly yeah yeah I know it's the
more conversations you have the more you
realize I'm like oh there's more
capabilities here I didn't even realize
until I started thinking about it and
talking it out loud right yeah exactly
so the pr thing could be really big
what's what's an example you have with
one of the clients that you've worked
with that you're like really proud of of
like hey they had this goal and we AI
really helped them get there faster
better yeah I mean uh the one that comes
to mind and I I'm under NDA with so I
can't bring it up I gotta be a little
bit careful but doesn't say it was a
large web-based company and uh they
wanted to do automated uh Outreach so
custom emails that were sent to
influencers and um messaging that would
be would look at their LinkedIn profile
look at all their social media profile
and come up with very accurate and
specific things about them and I'd say
the response rate was probably 80%
because you're hitting everything that
they talked about and what they're doing
and what their interests are and and
you're painting it in a way that uh gets
them to respond and that was a big one
um and we we were not expecting that
kind of response but because we hit
everything on there you know about them
and shaped it in a way that it just drew
them in right telling them back giving
them back their story I thought that was
that was really effective use of AI
there's several more but that that that
one first came to mind how how powerful
that is I mean how long would it take
you to do that for 100 influencers it
would take you a ton of time yeah tons
this was just doing it like this just
give it give it the social media
profiles and let it run it was cool yep
I've I've not done a lot of Outreach I
usually do if anything I'm doing
Outreach for like podcasts or for
clients podcast where I'm trying to get
guests not as hard because it's it's an
easier ask to have somebody on a podcast
right totally um but I've always
wondered I'm like what you just
described I'm like oh that's awesome for
outreach yeah but who's doing that for
inbound like how come no one's doing
that with the newsletter I finally just
got a like I built a little AI
fundamentals course and I just gather a
few pieces of information based on a
form they fill out and then use that to
Autos schedule like a prompt that goes
and says hey here's the transcript of
the lesson here's the what we know about
the marketer now GPT write me a custom
lesson plan here's the outline of what
it should look like is now give me a
custom lesson plan for a CMO in a beauty
company if that was the variables or
whatever spam it injects it into the
email so it's now it's a custom course
but I'm like how do you go and
automatically scrape their LinkedIn
profile so I can learn about pick up the
things that they don't even know I know
and then put that into the course now
that would be sweet right well you can't
uh you can't do it directly LinkedIn for
some reason blocks it but there are
providers that give you uh their you
know they I don't know if they scrape it
I don't know how they do it but you can
get that but just by using these these
third party providers just as a tip
because that would be a cool in B tool
even if you only had to do it once for
newsletter subscribers on like the first
time they subscribe you do once you go
grab some interesting facts about them
and then you just sprinkle it in
randomly like content in the in the
future you know I'm like I would like
that I mean some people would probably
find it creepy but marketers wouldn't
that's who I'm talking to so yeah not me
at all I would love it I I would love to
get access to credit card data and be
able to do it that as well that becomes
really profitable if you start
sprinkling in Affiliates and stuff your
newsletters all that find their buying
patterns right as we look to the Future
what emerging AI Technologies do you
think will have the biggest impact on
businesses specifically within marketing
like let's say because within the next
six eight months I I see two uh one is
something like Sora which I think is
just so mind-blowing I don't even know
what more you need I mean you're going
to need more than just Sora uh to do
videos but um imagine
how connected you can become to your
customers if you have a tool like that
that actually works the way I think it's
going to work wow I mean you'll have
people crying laughing I mean it's going
to be a crazy New World um and then you
know I think somebody's got to solve the
advertising issue with the on the PPC
side uh it's still a lot of guessing and
a lot of and I know you're not getting
enough data from Facebook anymore used
to be yeah it used to be great now it's
a crapshoot a crap and they don't care
we had all these whiners sorry in the
beginning that were complaining that oh
we're getting you know they're getting
my data they're getting my data well
they're just getting it other ways and
and they're not sharing it with
advertisers they they got it they're
just not sharing it and who knows what's
being done with it now it's not
transparent because they don't want you
to know so you'll you won't complain to
your Congressman but yeah uh there are I
think AI will be able to triangulate who
these people are by I'm sure there's
data gatherers that are categorizing you
and me Dan by our social media profile
give feeding that to the AI and the AI
is going to be able to do some amazing
stuff with you know targeting us yeah
I'm like cookies are gonna go away and
AI is going to rep replace it real fast
and I'm gonna enjoy just gonna go scrape
it and follow you around and figure it
out but they could do it in Mass so we
don't even need the cookies anymore yeah
I mean I I'm going to enjoy it because I
want an AI agent to come to me and say
hey I I I know you were looking for this
and uh I found five of it and here's the
best deal and if you order today you'll
get you know $10 off I can't wait for
that day that's me I don't find it
creepy at
all yeah I don't find it creepy I just I
guess part of me knows I'm like there'll
be things for the consumers to block it
too as there always are it's like oh
advertisers get a little too aggressive
and now we have ad blockers you know so
pretty pretty soon it'll be like have
your AI call my AI have your a AI come
and advertise in my AI my AI will sort
the offers that I particularly want you
know that'll be interesting I think uh
you should always have the right to turn
it off absolutely your right to privacy
should be Paramount and guys like you
and I will just open it up wide just
sayy come at me you know I know what's
going on in the background and I'm not
doing anything nefarious that I'm
worried about so you know come at me I
want to learn but I I respect the fact
that people like my 18-year-old son
don't want any kind of footprint out
there and doesn't doesn't want to be
targeted like that okay fine just turn
it all off you better give them the
right to or else you know I think a lot
of people have a problem with that I
tried to go full private or like just
delete a bunch of my information I got
concerned about it my I because I had
almost had credit fraud once yeah like I
found out someone got my social security
number started asking for credit cards
none of it went through luckily it got
locked down and shut down yeah but I got
concerned and I just started deleting
tons of information and I hired
there's companies that will go out there
and like shut down all the publicly all
the public information about you which
apparently like you ever put in your
name in your address like how many data
sites have information you didn't even
know they had who you're married to who
your friends are what schools you've
been to all the stuff like I went and
there's a comp there's companies that
will go and take all that information
out about you so I did that once but I
was I realized I'm like you know the AI
is going to be able to get around that
very soon so why even try it's just
there's not going to be much you can do
about it kind of like right now most
people don't even know how much data is
out there about them even if they I me
on the address front just never just use
a PO Box that's what I do never put
that's the that's the security block
there yeah anything digital even even
things that aren't digital like a school
application uh can get out there I don't
know why they digitize that stuff and
put it out there but they do uh so I I
would always use a PO box and and never
put my home address if you're that
worried about it
yeah yeah um who do you think owns AI in
a
company who owns it yeah if it's going
to be a technology that's going to be
companywide who's who should lead the
charge in a company I don't think
companies should own their own AI I mean
they're going to compete with these
juggernauts with Google
Microsoft uh Elon Musk is coming out
with I think it's called grock grock
yeah I I don't mean like have their own
llm or LM whatever it is I don't mean
like develop their own AI Tech but who
spearheads the process of M becoming
making a company more AI driven oh okay
um I definitely think the CTO should
have a hand in it but I I don't find too
many Innovative CTO that are marketer
friendly there are some mtech people uh
that I would trust if they're CTO but um
I think the CTO kind of H you know has
to own it but eventually I think
there'll be an AI specialist if there's
not already that comes in and helps
implement it but like anything I don't
want to give too much power especially
AI power to any one individual I'd want
the head of marketing to say okay you're
GNA help me with this and I'm telling
you what I'm going to use you're not
telling me but you know I I have a bias
because I've been held back by CFOs and
CTO my whole career yep now they're
definitely very security focused and
I've I I don't know I usually kind of
have to my I have to build strategic
relationships with them just so you can
do what you need to do otherwise they're
G to Strongarm all all of your initi my
biggest problem is they go to they go to
legal and then you know good luck
getting around that if an attorney
that's not business friendly is saying H
this is a security risk or uh a law a
litigation risk it it's over right so
um yeah it's it's a tough one it really
is a tough one you uh hopefully if
you're in marketing it's CMO or BPM
marketing just take charge of it and
just let everyone know hey this is what
I'm doing because it's going to save us
X and make us more money and um and
apologize later but that that's me I
mean I'm not saying put your company at
risk but for me I just I drive it
forward and I'm on I'm seen as the
leader at that point and then people are
usually coming to me hey how can I
implement this in Customer Support yeah
it's less likely to get shut down or you
get fired one the two so maybe you
shouldn't listen to me I do feel like
marketing departments need to lead the
charge in the whole thing they're one of
the first ones to really benefit from it
but when as it starts to mature it's to
me it seems like the whole
organization's going to have to make
some strategic choices on like larger AI
Tech like Microsoft co-pilot like that
that's probably going to be implemented
companywide which means it is going to
have to be involved which means it's
probably going to be driven from the CEO
you need to hire an AI specialist to
help consult the CTO or CIO or whatever
because you're got to have to start if
you're doing it right you're probably G
to want to work your leverage your
company's data source right yeah that's
where it really starts to you know
become a flywheel because it can learn
and get smarter on the data set that
your company has I I find these people
though are the business prevention team
and I hate I hate to say that because um
they they're afraid of losing their jobs
you know the CTO must understand that an
AI could manage the network a lot better
uh not in every case but in a lot of
different cases you always need a CTO
but maybe not 50 employees underneath
you so I'm always skeptical of of
letting them run anything they don't
want to lose team members I I I get that
uh so be very careful I've ran into a
few that have tried to block these
things coming in I'm like hey whether
you block it now it's it's going to come
in later and you're going to be far
you're going to be behind and then
you're going to lose your job I I'm B
Frank with them because I I don't work
for a big Corporation I I I'm come in as
a a marketing team or an advisor or
consultant so but still they're like
well you know I could save myself a year
or two and I'm like what kind of
thinking is this that's the thinking of
a corporate bureaucrat right that you
you're gonna be dealing with so
understand that that might be what you
come across man that's a good good
warning for those who are thinking about
trying to be the like AI Champion I know
they used to call them digital Champions
as people are just starting to use the
internet of things in order to level up
their whole companies but I mean now
it's G to digital to AI real fast yeah I
mean I remember anybody adopted this
early stuff like blockchain the fastest
got the promotions they also went to
different companies with bigger pay yeah
would be crazy not to jump on this and
lead the charge you will advance your
career by decades if you're seen as the
leader because you'll be able to name
your spot once you've mastered it let's
say you're a marketing uh CMO at a
midsize company
uh you're you're going to have big
companies that say holy cow we've seen
what you did there we want you to come
over here and they're going to give you
a heck of a lot more I just discussed
like that data is probably a big thing
where do you see data fitting into the
whole
conversation uh well so I look at uh
data in AI as okay what's your sandbox
and do you want to limit the sandbox is
it an open sandbox how are you setting
that up so data data is critical I mean
everything derives from it yeah and it's
how
you it's how you package it up or it's
whatever the sandbox is that you define
it I'll give you an example there's been
companies that have wasted millions and
millions of dollars trying to create
their own version of an AI for a
specific purpose but then they test it
against chat cpt4 and chat cpt4 still
beats it it's like well why is that well
it's because it's got more connections
that are out there yeah so you really
have to be careful on the use case if
the use case is okay we chatbot and we
just want to talk about talk people
through how helping them to use our
software I think you can sandbox that in
right uh but if it goes beyond that and
it requires connections from elsewhere
around the web and and continuously
updating do not try to compete with cha
gp4 wait till you see five uh where it's
asking you questions and really trying
to get in the root of of what you're
looking to do so it really comes down to
what it is that you want to do and
whether you just need a box or you need
the the whole world but you're putting
boundaries on it so you get to the
answer faster it's it's it's like prompt
engineering but it's done in the back
end I mean some of it can be training
the model but then there's like other
there's like static data that I think AI
can leverage in order to build
personalized experiences or not only for
the customer but Pro probably for the
prospect eventually um I was just
talking
to um a com a had a guest on the podcast
that has a company that runs this AI
tool that helps customize user
interfaces for apps so instead of just
split testing things within apps it like
dynamically just deals with individuals
one to one yeah but it has to be has to
have a data set in order to do that so
like hey like Mark logged into this
weight loss app and he didn't interact
with this little piece of content yeah
he he so we're going to try something
new and we don't have to like split test
it so many times before we know he's not
going to click on it it's like kind of
like we've done this with people like
him before if he didn't interact with it
the first three times we don't we're
going to take that out we're gonna try
this thing next we're gonna try this
thing next it's like customized for the
user using AI using good stats um but
primarily data I'm like but everybody's
got that kind of data even if they're in
HubSpot you have that kind of data in
Salesforce whether you're running like a
SAS app or not um like everyone's got
that kind of data somewhere in their CRM
so far I haven't seen a lot of people
leverage that level of data yet with AI
but I feel like that's like a huge
unlock when you could start to tap into
the PowerHouse of data that company's
already collecting yeah I feel like
somebody's going to do that and I
imagine it like you go to Dan's website
and it the AI quickly figures out the
user Journey that Mark wants to take on
your website and kind of guides me
through it it maybe dynamically changes
the web pages on the Fly based on what
it thinks I want to see or do or maybe
even asked me a question can you imagine
that where's that somebody hasn't
created that Dynamic website yet I'm
shocked I'm sure it's coming uh but I'd
love a website that changes and morphs
and is a chameleon according to whoever
is on it and but really laser targeted
like uh whether it's looking at a cookie
from you or some pixel or something it
knows you maybe because you're in my
database uh it starts to change the uh
your website experience because it knows
who you are I mean how what what kind of
that's a killer app I mean who wouldn't
sign up for that I feel like that's the
future with AI I mean right now Sora has
to be prompted in order to generate it
but eventually like you've seen a uh
Facebook's um new image generator AI
it's like real time so as you're typing
in the prompt it's generating the image
oh really you're like a girl and it
generates a girl on a street corner on
the street corner with a balloon and
then bam the balloon's there and it
literally is doing it as you're typing
it it's so fast I'm like oh my gosh like
it's so fast
that like and it's like we're gonna be
able to do this with video and whole
websites like in the matter of seconds
it's G to load and it's going to be a
personalized experience just for you a
little video will pop on and maybe
interact with you in real time it's
gonna be like a freaking video game I
mean how are we gonna know who's real
who's not and uh I I think blockchain
blockchain yeah it'll Avail to validate
if someone's real but will it really uh
be able to discern turn whether
somebody's real or not on video like if
you're talking to somebody on video you
know the concept of catfishing uh and
catfishing is going to become a problem
outside of dating I think there'll be
some additional catfishing these
scammers get a hold of these tools and
oh my God they can impersonate your mom
your dad your whoa It's G to get
crazy yeah
well hopefully no it's gonna happen
Apple and Google develop some tech to
help block that that's gonna be a
problem AI detectors right for video so
that's another business we're giving out
so many business ideas just make sure
you credit us when you create these
companies uh and hire us as consultants
to help build it out or something there
you go so something I've thought a lot
about we'll finish with this is I find
that the future is riddled with these
two extremes on one extreme on the
opportunistic side is kind of like Sam
Altman's talked about the future of the
the the solopreneur Unicorn billion in
Revenue one person team because they
have so many AI agents that are making
it so efficient that they can do it it's
probably a SAS company so but still I'm
like that's cool that's one extreme On
The Other Extreme I think Sam alman's
predicted that like 95% of marketers
will not marketers will lose their jobs
but 95% of marketing tasks will get
automated through AI um both I feel like
are reasonable they're pretty extreme
but still not unreasonable where do you
where do how do you see both these
things playing out uh the first one is
what again this the solopreneur
billionaire as and they will have these
like super efficient I I feel like
people I feel like there's people on
Wall Street are traders that have
already done that but maybe not a
billion dollars but that that's going to
come but yeah I think a company will be
run by one person and a team of bots but
then I would just say why couldn't you
just have a bot the first bot
billionaire you know uh why couldn't a
bot do it all eventually and now we're
competing with you know bots in business
how crazy is that going to be uh and
then why wouldn't government take over
the Bots and just run everything for us
anyway that's a scary proposition I
never want to see that then we're
getting into the Matrix scenario where
nobody's working and we're just eating
and drinking and don't you feel like
we're heading towards video game status
as as a is a uh is real life it just
feels like we're heading that direction
I don't know in those kinds of
conversations you're starting to get
into like World Views and philosophies
in order to try to decide what the is
which are really fun conversations
though I generally try to stay away from
them for this podcast I like to stay
into the practical but they are fun to
think about and talk about over a beer
at like a pub somewhere what I'm
thinking is you might have a CMO as a
bot that's running things for you uh if
you're your CEO we're far from that
folks don't get too worried but um you
know it's in the realm of possibility in
the next three to five years
at the rate it's going I mean Sora was a
major mile marker that I was like Oh I
thought this was at least a year or two
out to have that ability because we had
only just crossed it with images images
finally just not long ago were like oh
these look like real people huh I wonder
when video will come around it's
probably a few years out oh no video was
out a month from then like mid Journey
six or whatever had just come out in
December and I'm like wow these actually
look like freaking good yeah and then
Sora comes out and it's like mid journey
level video you're like oh that was
fast and then uh if you look at what do
dolly3 is doing where you can edit the
image on the Fly you know you just
highlight and say change this yeah um
imagine when when video comes out uh and
you have Sora doing that I mean that's
total gamechanging stuff so why not be
able to train an AI agent with an avatar
image that appears on a screen as your
CMO uh to do CMO activities and it it
already knows all the most successful
campaigns that have been in the past and
current and it's drawing upon those
experiences to create create your own
based on the data it has about your
organization I mean it's a no-brainer
now I'm hoping these AI things will
always be assistant or agents and that
humans are always in control I know
we're going far a field here and that's
the future I would plann for if you're
watching this don't think the AI is
going to take over your job be the
architect and and have make it your make
it your assistant and uh you'll be fine
for the next five years I promise yeah I
find
that the future that I can see within
the next couple of years like next year
to five years the ones who know how to
build an architect processes will be the
ones that probably move forward the
fastest because that's what you have to
do with ai ai is good at doing the
manual task but someone's got to
architect the process in order to
deliver the value whether that's in
marketing or product development or
whatever it is like someone's got to
tell AI what to do which means you have
to be able to think big picture in order
to architect it so that AI can run its
play over and over again that's not
everybody knows how to do that well no I
mean we're all still learning and
unfortunately from my experience in
speaking around the country only a third
of us are even using AI which is
mind-blowing to me especially in
marketing yeah I'd say and only a third
of those people are even logging in
regularly or I've even paid for a single
AI tool like Plus or something I don't
get it techy friends are just now
upgrading to plus so I'm like it's I
find that most there's a small community
of people like us that are like in it
every day all day and then many people
just aren't they don't know how to
leverage it yet or think that they asked
it to write a LinkedIn post once and it
didn't do a good job but they never they
never learned how to really leverage it
in order to do something good with it or
the prompts or something like that you
know they didn't know how to prompt it
correctly but to me it's like okay
you've been eating McDonald's hamburgers
nothing wrong with McDonald's folks but
McDonald's hamburgers and then you and I
get a bite of wall Burger out of uh you
know Santa Monica if you've been there
uh and you're like oh my God I'll never
go back to Hamburger again I mean it is
literally 10x better than anything that
you're doing right now unless you're the
very very very top of your field for
whatever the you know copyright it comes
to mind uh it it's going to do a better
job it's going to do it faster and make
you more productive and and better uh
just by adopting some of these tools you
one in particular chat GPT as well as
Claude Opus those are two tools everyone
should be using right now as
marketers yep um mark this has been a
wonderful conversation I've learned a
lot as far as thinking about how to
approach this as a as a business as an
organization I think the future is going
to be very AI driven and we all need to
get on the ball as far as learning how
to Leverage things in little ways think
about them in big ways and of course
have those bigger conversations for how
to protect ourselves from theoretical
Futures to like I didn't even think
about the catfishing part I'm like oh
yeah that's gonna be a thing I get to
think about how to start recognizing
that now because that's literally around
the corner that's probably less than
eight months away I would agree oh and
and I know with voice it's already been
done so I know somebody try to scam
their parents they they made this public
scam their parents out of
$100,000 claiming a daughter locked in a
Mexican jail wire almost wired the money
but they were able to get a hold of the
daughter before they thank God but they
were convinced it's her voice yeah so be
careful out there go check out Mark's
podcast the AI marketing show
and SEO that's right you just go search
for AI marketing it's gonna be the first
one there so I'm joking I'm
joking where else can people connect
with you uh LinkedIn is probably where I
spend most of my time now I'm finding a
lot of value in LinkedIn they gave me
this uh label uh which I don't think
increases my SEO value on LinkedIn but
it's kind of cool uh to see uh some I a
voice of blockchain logo or something
like that anyway that's where I'm
spending most of my time Twitter for me
used to be where it was but not that I
love what elon's doing at Twitter I like
all the openness of it but it's not as
effective for what I'm doing so
LinkedIn fantastic thanks for coming on
the show all right thank you
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